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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
May 01, 2006 (8:01 am)
My thoughts on this thread having just bought a van this weekend (Honda Odyssey EX-L):
- We test drove a T&C Touring model which had package 28S (leather, power doors and liftgate, DVD entertainment system, supplemental side airbags, hands free cellphone (bluetooth), etc). The van was loaded with the 3.8L engine as well.
- First of all, having just driven the Sienna XLE and Odyssey EX-L we were impressed with the options that came on this van (especially considering that the van could be had for about 28K out the door). We were also surprised (having just driven a rental Dodge Grand Caravan the month before) how much quieter and more powerful (the rental had the 3.3L engine) the T&C was. The van handled well, and had adequate power for most tasks. I felt that it definitely lagged the performance of the Sienna and the Odyssey especially at passing speeds. The engine was also the loudest of the three. Overall, I felt the Odyssey had much greater passing power, was more quiet, and handled better than the T&C. But, I want to emphasize that the T&C was more than adequate for most people. This is my first minivan and it is replacing a 2002 Nissan Altima SE. In other words, it was important that my first van be fun to drive and have adequate acceleration, passing power, and handling.
- Interior. I liked the layout (seats) of the T&C and loved the rear power liftgate. The T&C van (for the money) clearly had more features than a comparably priced Odyssey EX-L and Sienna XLE. Actually, the T&C was about 1K cheaper than the Odyssey EX-L and almost 2K cheaper than the Sienna XLE w leather. However, both the Sienna and Odyssey used better materials, and I found the dashboard layout of the T&C to be cluttered and cheap looking and feeling. I also found the 7" DVD screen to be a little on the small side. The leather was nice, but not as comfortable or plush as the Toyota or Honda leather. I also felt that the stow&go seats were a little uncomfotable (especially for a long trip for an adult). The stow&go concept was very cool, and we loved the extra storage. This is a plus for the DCX vans, but I feel it comes at the expense of the comfort of the seats.
- Exterior. I liked the front of the T&C, but did not like the rounded rear to that of the Honda and Toyota. But clearly these are all minivans and none really had a large advantage to exterior styling.
- Reliability. I was a little worried about reliability with the DCX vans after looking through Consumer Reports ratings and having some family and friends that have had issues with these vans. Every manufacturer has their share of lemons, but having owned a very problamatic 1999 VW Jetta, I did not want to have a vehicle which constantly needed to go to the shop. I picked the Honda (although I felt the Toyota was an equally safe bet).
- Resale. This was another area of concern for me. Although I plan on keeping the van for 5-7 years (possibly more), I did not like the thought of buying a van that depreciates as fast as the DCX vans do. This may not be as big an issue for some people, but after looking at used minivan prices, I was shocked at how well the Honda held its value. Even the previous generation Odysseys with low miles are only about 2-4K cheaper than the newer Odysseys.
- Safety. I felt that all three vans were safer than my 02 Altima, but that overall, the Honda was the safest of the three. I really liked the idea of stability control which the DCX vans do not offer.
So, my take was that overall, the Honda was a better van with regards to fit and finish, performance/handling, comfort, resale, reliability, and safety. However, the DCX vans clearly give you the most features for the money and are nice vans. I can see where DCX owners are very happy with their vans (especially if they keep them for 7 years or more). At the end of the day I was very happy that I drove all three vans and made the decision that made sense for my family. BTW, I used to be somewhat anti-Honda and this is my first Honda vehicle. I just mentioned this so others that felt the same way would give the Odyssey a chance.
#7097 of 7485 Re: Comparison [dc_driver]
May 01, 2006 (8:01 am)
Great write up and comparison. I hope you enjoy your new Honda van. They are VERY nice!!!!
#7098 of 7485 Re: Comparison [dc_driver]
May 01, 2006 (5:28 pm)
EXCELLENT comparison. The Ody EX-L is THE best choice over the Sienna XLE with leather or the T&C Touring with leather. DC minivan interiors look cheap at all price ranges compared to comparably priced Ody or Sienna.
We were looking at the lower price range of GC SXT, Sienna LE, and Ody EX (cloth) where the Ody was the highest priced and GC SXT was lowest priced (after dealer discount, company discount, incentives, etc.).
The 5 speed AT gives a BIG advantage to the Ody and Sienna for acceleration but does NOT have any advantage when cruising down the interstate where small to medium grades are encountered. The Ody and Sienna engines are also quieter during acceleration than the DC 3.8L engine but the GC SXT seemed as quiet or quieter at freeway speeds as the Ody or Sienna.
Some people think the more extensive controls in DC minivans present a cluttered look but after driving my 2002 T&C LX and 2006 Sienna LE (and son's 2001 Ody EX), I like having the extra controls of DC minivans to the "One knob does everything" approach of Honda and Toyota.
#7099 of 7485 Re: Comparison [hansienna]
May 01, 2006 (7:43 pm)
The T&C was very quiet overall (at cruising speeds), and had a smooth ride. If I were on a more tighter budget, I would most likely have picked up the 06 Dodge GC SXT (loaded with leather, DVD, power everything) for 24K (including freight, not including tax, tag, title) at Fitzmall here in DC. But I definitely would have picked up an extended warranty as well...
#7100 of 7485 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody
May 04, 2006 (12:17 pm)
The 2006 Kia Sedona has ACED all the safety crash tests. It is the first minivan to earn the coveted "Gold" pick from IIHS.
Honda needs to modify the Ody chassis/frame so that it can hold up better in a REAR end crash test. Right now there is too much risk of whiplash/neck injury in the Ody.
If Hyundai keeps up the this safety theme and focus, they will soon be battling Volvo for the gold safety crown.
#7101 of 7485 Re: 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody [vrm]
May 04, 2006 (2:19 pm)
"Honda needs to modify the Ody chassis/frame so that it can hold up better in a REAR end crash test. Right now there is too much risk of whiplash/neck injury in the Ody."
The whiplash/neck injury risk in the IIHS test is due ENTIRELY to seat/head restraint design, NOT chassis/frame design. The Kia is the only minivan with active head restraints, thus it AUTOMATICALLY received a "gold" pick for rear-end collisions.
#7102 of 7485 Re: 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody [vrm]
May 04, 2006 (5:41 pm)
If you consider reliability a factor in safety (I sure do), then the Odyssey most likely has a huge advantage. Consumer Reports listed the 2005 Kia Sedona (previous generation) as a "Worst Bet" minivan and the 2005 Odyssey a "Best Bet" due to the number of reported problems. Time will tell on the 06 Kia, but my bet is on Honda.
Comparing the 06 Sedona to the 06 Odyssey on safercar.gov, the vans get identical scores (5 stars all around except they both received 4 stars for rollover).
Not sure what any of this has to do with the Odyssey vs. DCX vans.....
#7103 of 7485 Re: 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody [dc_driver]
May 05, 2006 (12:42 pm)
Something to take into consideration when looking at reliablity scores on these cars and problems that are reported. Consumer reports takes their information from
consumer surveys. JD Powers uses consumer surveys to derive their results. MSN Autos uses auto information services which gets their results from the aftermarket auto repair industry. So which one would you rely on for reliability stance, the consumer or a mechanic???
Now, i'm not going to sit here and say that the Honda Ody is a unreliable car, but when MSN Auto's gives it a RED indicator (which means that the system has had a high frequency of reported problems regardless of repair costs OR that the system has a moderate frequency of problems and that the cost to repair the problem is high),and a Yellow indicator (which means that the system has had a low frequency of reported problems but the cost is high OR that they have a moderate frequency of problems and the cost is low) it really makes one wonder what in the world is going on.
The Kia Sedona (for the models listed) has no red or yellow indicators and has all green indicating that the car has had a low frequency of reported problems, and the cost to repair any problems is also low. The biggest complaint I have seen with this van is its VERY VERY low gas mileage.
I also have noticed that most of the articles state, "given Honda's reliability" or "given Kia's Reliability" meaning they aren't even talking about the model they are reviewing. So what if Honda has a reputation in their Civics for being reliable, that certainly doesn't mean that their other cars are automatically going to be a stellar performer in the reliability market, and vice versa for Kia. So kia had a crummy past. Every review I have read relies on that particular detail in describing any of their new lines reliablity.
Just saying.. take these reports with a grain of salt.
#7104 of 7485 Re: 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody [sc00bs]
May 05, 2006 (1:22 pm)
I agree that you should not COMPLETELY rely on outside reports, but making an informed decision means that you utilize as much information at your disposal as possible. The CR survey in 05 had over one million responses. While it is not 100% accurate that is a a pretty good representation of the owner base for a particular brand/model. I also tend to trust consumer surveys more than I would dealer reported statistics.
I bought a 99 VW Jetta, and if I would have looked at the CR data and on various message boards I would never have bought that
As for the MSN data, I am not sure how accurate that is in the case of Hyundai/Kia since their cars have 5/60 and 10/100 warranties. Unless the dealer shops are reporting this info to MSN, it would not reflect 2005 model year vehicles (I would assume). I would also question the dealer data anyway since they could easily manipulate what they send.
I would also stress that there is no such thing as a perfect car (I came close once with a 94 Nissan PUP that had zero issues outside of normal maintenance for about 5 years). Every manufacturer and model has reports of lemons, some just have more than others. It has taken years for Honda and Toyota to build their reputations for reliability and there have been issues along the way (Honda transmissions, Toyota engine sludge). If someone drives the Kia Sedona and all the other vans in their budget and likes it the best, they should buy it.
#7105 of 7485 Re: 2006 Kia Sedona beats the Ody [dc_driver]
by Claire@Edmunds HOST
May 07, 2006 (11:26 pm)
Not sure what any of this has to do with the Odyssey vs. DCX vans.....
Um... nothing. As requested earlier, would you folks continue this discussion in the right place? Either of these would be a better place than here:
Kia Sedona (2006+)