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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#6706 of 7485 Is the Odyssey worth the price premium?
Mar 09, 2006 (7:05 am)
I have been following this forum on and off since last September. That was when I purchased a 2006 Odyssey EX-L. I also own a 1999 Dodge Intrepid ES and a 2005 Chrysler Pacifica Touring.
In my opinion the Odyssey was a better vehicle than the similar DC offerings. The real question in this forum is how much more the Honda is worth than the DC vans. When you look at the Chrysler minivans (not Dodge) the actual price difference between the Honda and DC vehicles becomes closer. I probably would have purchased a Chrysler minivan if it had the 3.5L engine as in the Pacifica and the 7 year 70,000 mile warranty that our Pacifica came with. As a previous owner of a 1992 Grand Caravan, I had to remove all of the seats (middle and rear) to carry large cargo and did it as needed. I do like that the 3rd row seats fold down now, but do not see the big deal about the middle row of seats. When you get past that feature, the Odyssey is the better vehicle.
As for mileage, I get around 18-20 mpg in town and on the only highway trip got 27.1 mpg over 800 miles. The Odyssey is a rocket which would probably beat both the Intrepid and Pacifica in a race and if you drive it hard (which is really fun) your mileage will suffer. Remember that all Odysseys get the 3.5L engine, while most DC vans get the 3.3L engine which completely pales in comparison.
#6707 of 7485 Re: I think I lost [rorr]
Mar 09, 2006 (7:38 am)
How do you measure 'family friendly'? How do you measure 'desirable'? If you can't measure these, or even agree on what constitutes 'family friendly' or 'desireable', how do you determine which is the most?
I believe the main reason they built the minivan is to be able to carry more people than you can get in a four or five passenger car and to be able to carry stuff you can't get into a car.
I think that being able to pack anything into a minivan that it can hold, without having to plan ahead or taking the seats out, makes that van very family friendly. More so than holding eight people. As most families don't have eight in the family. Most wouldn't have eight even if you carried the in-laws. Even if you had more people, it is easier to get a car to go along to carry the over flow than it is to find a truck to take the overflow of stuff you want to carry.
What makes the Honda the choice of all these writers? It's less than a second faster in the quarter mile? It stops three feet shorter? The engine is quieter? It's got a five speed transmission and the Dodge has a four speed? It has roll down rear windows and accident avoidance? It has a nicer interior? They are all desirable things to have, but does it make the van more family friendly? It might make it a bit safer and desirable, but I wouldn't say it makes it family friendly. There are many vehicles out there with the same features and they are far from family friendly. Being able to do with your van, most anything you want to do with it, anytime you want, makes it family friendly to me. That is what you can do with the Chrysler vans you can't do with any other.
#6708 of 7485 Just to add.
Mar 09, 2006 (7:51 am)
My contention is not that the Chrysler vans are better than the Honda vans. I don't think they are. Only that they are more family friendly than the Honda vans are.
#6709 of 7485 marine2
Mar 09, 2006 (8:34 am)
So, you insist on declaring the DGC the most family friendly minivan?
Okay. Here we go:
The Ody has seating positions/options unavailable for the DCX vans, regardless of how you plan ahead. Meaning that should our kids have friends who may need rides we are better able to cope with unexpected passengers. This is more family friendly.
The Ody has standard stability control and side/curtain airbags with rollover sensors for the safety of the family. I think that an enhanced ability to avoid accidents and survive unavoidable accidents makes the Ody more family friendly.
The Ody has roll-down windows in the second row and built-in roll-up sun screens for the benefit/comfort of passengers. This makes the Ody more family friendly.
The ability of the Ody to slide seats together not only increases the seating options but also options for carrying cargo with passengers. I can have two in the second row while still having room to load objects in the side of the van. I'll bet I can even place the infamous air compressor in the side door AND keep 2 seats in the mid row. This makes the Ody more family friendly.
Now, if you throw in the better performance, nicer interior (enabling one to show off to the neighbors which is obviously a high criteria for Ody owners), more relaxed cruising with a 5sp automatic, etc. etc. etc. then it should be OBVIOUS to all concerned that the Odyssey is, hands down and without a doubt, the MOST family friendly minivan.
I'll give you this - it's easier to convert to cargo hauling with a Dodge. That makes it the most cargo friendly minivan available.
Now, we can continue this infantile argument about which is the MOST family friendly, or we can just agree that both vehicles serve families well and just leave it at that.
#6710 of 7485 Re: marine2 [rorr]
Mar 09, 2006 (9:25 am)
Well I was answering most of what you had down there and then I came to your last sentence and thought why not. We could keep this up for days and days and never come to an agreement. So on this I will agree with you. Both do serve the families well, depending on how you use them.
Your a good person to discuss things with rorr, I enjoyed it. Kept me busy from a few more discussions I have going on the History Channel and from doing a lot of house work, but it was worth it. Looking forward to another, although I hope it's not so long.
#6711 of 7485 Re: marine2 [marine2]
Mar 09, 2006 (9:49 am)
"We could keep this up for days and days and never come to an agreement. So on this I will agree with you. Both do serve the families well, depending on how you use them."
HEY!!!! We agree!
I hope I didn't get you TOO riled up and it has been entertaining on this end (although I'm sure that more than a few lurkers would agree completely with my 'infantile argument' comment ).
#6712 of 7485 Re: marine2 [rorr]
Mar 09, 2006 (10:12 am)
No, you didn't get me too riled up. I think we agreed a long time ago if you look back at what I said in one of my previous posts.
"I think when it comes time to buy a minivan, a person really does need to ask himself what will I use it for before deciding to buy it. I made the right choice for me, it might not be the right choice for you."
But it was fun for awhile. Just toooo long.
Mar 09, 2006 (10:30 am)
To marine2 and rorr...
The winner of the great van debate of 2006 is???
Now, on with more talk.
#6714 of 7485 Re: marine2 [rorr]
Mar 09, 2006 (10:30 am)
You guys have already kept this up for days and days, or is it months and months? Why stop now?
Both ODY and DGC minivans have good features the other one does not have. Never will all of us agree as we all have different needs/wants.
Having owned two (yes only two) short wheel base Dodge minivans continuously in the last 21 years-still got the 1996 Caravan and it is clicking along just fine--stow and go certainly beats removing those heavy and awkward second row captain's seats, which I can do but are too heavy for my wife. We have had and do need to do remove these seats maybe 3-4 times a year, more often when our children were small and when I was doing a lot of do it myself home improvement projects.
Certainly the third row stowable seat is a great feature, more necessary than the second row, but if you can have stowable second row and don't have to pay an arm and leg for it, why not?
Our "underpowered" 3.3 V-6 which hails from an era when even this engine had lower power ratings than it does now, has very adequate power and actually has enough low end torque it is hard to tell the difference in acceleration when it is loaded with a bunch of heavy paving bricks or empty. You want slow, then you should have driven a first generation Caravan when you had two choices of 4 cylider engines, slow and slower! We drove that one for twelve years and somehow did OK.
Who actually does anything near full throttle acceleration ever when you are driving a minivan?
I can never remember needing 8 passenger seating, but some people might. Then buy the ODY or Sienna or strap that 8th passenger to the roof racks on your DGC minivan!
Bottom line is buy what you want or think you need or can afford and be done with it. Both are good useful, fairly fuel efficient vehicles that are family and cargo friendly.
#6715 of 7485 Re: marine2 [badgerfan]
Mar 09, 2006 (11:00 am)
"I can never remember needing 8 passenger seating, but some people might. Then buy the ODY or Sienna or strap that 8th passenger to the roof racks on your DGC minivan!"
True- it worked for Aunt Edna on the family truckster. Granted, I think she was dead already so comfort and safety weren't a big issue.
I see many people using 9-passenger Suburbans 95% of the time in a one-person commute. On the flip side, some owners of coupes can never remember needing to seat a 5th passenger.