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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#5663 of 7485 Re: Goodbye for a while [hansienna]
Dec 20, 2005 (8:55 pm)
Too bad the overwhelming lead in the Odyssey Problems Forum is such a touchy subject.
We also lead in all oter posts, Honda 2005+ 4517 posts, DCX 2005+ 1033 posts, more than 4 to 1. Oh and then prices paid and buy Honda 11453, Chrysler town and country 253. Wow a 46 to 1 ratio. Ok now Honda vs Sienna 3212 posts and DCX vs Sienna 31 posts. a 100 to 1 ratio. Ok now the problems posts Honda 6042 and DCX 3512. Not even a 2 to 1 ratio by far the smallest. So it is easy to say that Honda people post more often!! Also posting is done by very few people the Honda vs DCX has 5661 posts by about 30 people. So the people who point out the post should say man maybe since the Odyssey is the 11th most research vehicle and none of the DCX vans are in the top 100 maybe there is more people posting from Honda. But that would take basic logic. Hey Hans did you get your good snow tires on the rear yet?? You really need to give some info in your posts substance is good once in a while!!
Dec 21, 2005 (1:29 am)
A number of posts were removed this evening again. The purpose of this discussion is to compare/contrast the two vehicles, but posts that actually do that are far outstripped by posts that bash brands and insult people. It looks like this discussion has run its course (several times), but until it's closed, here are a few things to remember:
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#5665 of 7485 Re: Goodbye for a while [socalawd]
Dec 21, 2005 (4:12 am)
This just proves how satisfied DCX owners are.
Our vans are priced according to the marketplace and most buyer aren't searching the US hoping to save a few bucks.
Our vans may be low tech, more evolution than revolution (2001 vs 2005) but we have many less problems to complain about online (even though DCX sells 2 times as many, in many more configuration than Honda could ever produce). Ohh there's no proof DCX owners are less "Web Literate" than Honda owners.
Our vans are a very well known commodity with many more Dodge dealerships in US - less reason to run to internet to research.
#5666 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [artgpo]
Dec 21, 2005 (4:25 am)
I do believe the Odyssey Touring has the power hatch.
You're totally correct, for $37k - $39k on a Touring, you can get power hatch. It's a $400 option on most DCX vans. Living in Detroit with snow/slush and dirt common in Winter, it's sooo worth it!
Just last week at Sam's Club, I was parked next to Porche Cayenne (sp?)....I get to my Van just as Porche owner did, pushed my keyfob, hatch opened and I loaded stuff without a messy hand. The other guy just watched in Envy.
#5667 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [fljoslin]
Dec 21, 2005 (4:50 am)
A fully loaded T&C Limited w/ MSRP of ~$36k has much more equipment than an Odyssey EX-L.
#5668 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [thegraduate]
Dec 21, 2005 (5:21 am)
I built the Signature series on the Chrysler website, and it came to a grand total of $34,454 (only option I added was the rear DVD player. You essentially match the price of the Ody EX-L NAVI RES(34,595). The only extra features I can find that the Chrysler has on the Ody is the power hatch
Why did you add a DVD player to the Signature Series? it comes with a 6-disc DVD changer:
Customer Preferred Package 29P $ 5,320
Courtesy Door Lamps
Leather-Trimmed Bucket Seats
AM/FM Stereo w/CD Player/GPS Nav.
Rear Seat Entertainment Video System
6-Disc CD/DVD Changer-Req w/Rr Video
2nd-Row Overhead 7" Video Screen
Wireless Headphones (IR)
Video Remote Control
Heated Front Seats
Power Front Seats
Manual Driver Lumbar Adjust
Luxury Front and Rear Floor Mats
Signature Series Discount - $ 1,150
I checked one of my local dealers inventory and am reading the window sticker: $32760 for a Sig w/ no other options.
The T&C Touring Signature Series has the following that the Ody EXL RES NAV does not:
6-disc DVD changer
driver knee airbags
Power passenger seat
Larger 2nd row storage bin
ability to store 2nd row seats
Trip computer w/ average fuel economy, distence to empty, 2nd trip odometer
More torque below 4500rpm
250 pounds lighter weight
I'll be the first to admit the DCX navigation system is poor. I prefer the DGC SXT Special Edition content over the T&C Signature Series for this reason and that I wouldn't pay more than $200 for NAV. I didn't forget a zero.
So, $32780 vs. $34595 plus $550 destination is $2385 less for the T&C Sig MSRP. Average Joe gets invoice at $2700 off, then $4k in rebates. Some people do even better w/ dealer discounts, lease loyalty, etc. Anyway, Ody $31700 (near invice) vs. $26k for T&C Sig. $5500 savings for average Joe.
#5669 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [aaron_t]
Dec 21, 2005 (5:42 am)
I'm also not sure why you'd compare a EX-L with a T&C Ltd. If you add rear entertainment, sunroof, and sat radio to the T&C, you've got a very very closely equipped vehicle to the Ody Touring R&N. At that point the invoice is $822 higher for the Odyssey so the only additional savings to the T&C would be the rebates, currently at $2500. That puts a difference of $3,322.00 between invoices. Even if someone is a lousy shopper and can't find an Ody near invoice, lets say a whopping $1,500 over invoice, there's a $4,800 spread between them, worst case scenario.
At that point, the difference between the two models is as follows:
The Ody has a backup camera, stability control, run-flat tires, and the electronic gizmos (nav, dvd, etc.) are higher quality.
The T&C has dimming side mirrors and stow-n-go.
All other differences are minimal, execution or performance type things that are more buyer preference and not based on black/white facts.
If I was shopping again today (knowing I could buy the Ody for invoice) the $3,300 difference is not enough to put me into the T&C. If the difference was $10,000 like some folks contend, I'd consider it much more closely. But the actual fact of the matter in my case was the Ody was the only minivan I really liked enough to buy. Otherwise I'd still be driving a full-size SUV. If the handling/performance isn't impressive, I'm going with more utility.
#5671 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [sebring95]
Dec 21, 2005 (6:00 am)
I'm also not sure why you'd compare a EX-L with a T&C Ltd
I didn't, but fljoslin was.
I have asked in this post two or three times for 2006 Town and Country owners to post the price that they paid for a van equivalent in options to a Odyssey EX-L. (disregard engine, trans.....) It seems to me the raison d'etre for the DC vans is that they cost so much less than the Hondas.
Please convince me. A fully loaded T&C has an MSRP of more than $36,000. How much did you pay? It is that easy.
Just the EX-L (no RES,NAV) invoices of $28,300 vs. $29k for T&C Touring /w Leather group + roof. Leather Group adds 3-zone automatic climate control, power passenger seat, and EVIC/ enhanced trip computer/vehicle electronic controls. $4k in rebates w/ DCX if you finance through them.
#5672 of 7485 Re: If this topic... [aaron_t]
Dec 21, 2005 (6:10 am)
Anyone else test driven/compared Chrysler's Pacifica when minivan shopping? Quite a competitive vehicle and would be an apparent step-up in a few ways. Another option for DCX shoppers.