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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Aug 10, 2001 (2:49 pm)
Odd1, lets just get one thing straight, I don't like minivans. I like DaimlerChrysler minivans. There's a big difference there. I don't like boxy, boaring, blan vehicles that have no personality or depth. That's kind of how I view the Odyssey. However, if DC stoped making their vans for some wierd reason I would much rather have the Honda Odyssey over a Sedona, Sienna, or even Windstar.
I'm sorry you have been "burned" by DC in the past. However, I cannot say we have experienced the same trouble you have with both of our DC minivans, which have been flawless vehicles. I am not alone when I say this, as many of me nieghbors and friends love their DC minivans and have not had any problems with theirs. For example, my neighbor down the street has a 1997 Town & Country LXi with 78k miles on it and they have not had any major problems. They love their car.
You don't know wheather to have hope or to pitty me? That's sad. I like driving a CHRYSLER minivan because it is different from what many other teenagers drive. What do other teenagers drive and think they are so cool in? They drive V6 automatic Ford Mustangs, Cameros, and modified-ugly SUVs. The thing that really gets me is HOW they drive. These so called "normal" teenagers drive with their seats back almost to the floor, their left arm on the 12 o clock steering wheel position, and a cocky "im so hot" look on their face. I dont know about any teenagers you know or have had, but I'm not into DRIVING or LOOKING like that. Sorry, I guess I'm not a conformist and I'm certainly not into the whole "macho" look most other teenage males are attracted to.
I like driving CHRYSLER minivans over anything else becaues in my opinion they look better than any other minivan, they drive like a sports car (as minivans go), and have many small but HELPFULL features (adjustable cup holders, doors that automaticly lock over 16mph, grochery bag hooks, and overhead console with trip computer). Not to mention the kick-*** Infinity sound system included in some of the models (we were lucky enough to get this option).
What will I do when my parents trade the van in at the end of our lease? I'll look back and think what a great time I had driving our 2000 Chrysler Town & Country around for those 2-3 years. It wouldn't have been the same with any other minivan. And yes, that includes the amazing Honda Odyssey! Does that answer your question, odd1?
#549 of 7485 hayneldan
Aug 10, 2001 (3:28 pm)
Ah, but here's the catch. Chrysler said that they didn't notice a fuel leak in any of the vans that they crash tested, but they didn't say that they crash tested 50 of them after the IIHS found the problem with the vans that they crash tested. In fact, those vans were crash tested during the development phase of the '01 vans. Considering the fact that the leak while minor, still did occur, it is quite likely that Chrysler didn't notice it at all. They may not have even used fuel in their crash tested vans.
The Jetta that you mentioned (any idea what year?) was not involved in a routine laboratory crash test like the IIHS. It didn't leak any fuel from the tank area, but rather was the fault of the driver for not turning off the engine. In a higher speed collision, the inertia switch would've likely turned off the pump automatically.
How many accidents? Hmm, probably all of them that I've seen have not have any spilt fuel, and I've seen some pretty nasty ones.
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Aug 10, 2001 (4:07 pm)
I never said DC tested 50 vans AFTER the IIHS test . just that they had tested 50 before the 1ST IIHS test and their (DC) results about passenger area integrity differed from the IIHS 1st test #51 in wich incidentally the tank did not leak. DC asked for a retest and on that test the 52nd, it did leak. IIHS does not use fuel in the tanks for the test. What info do you have that DC tested them empty??????? Why was my crash results to date post deleted???
#552 of 7485 Adam
Aug 10, 2001 (7:26 pm)
Point well taken. That is why I said hopeful as an option. It shows alot more responsibility and integrity to drive a van over a "cool" car. That is why I wished you the best in all your endeavors. Keep your way for thinking about things. It will take you far in life. I'm sure your parents are proud of you and the way you handle yourself.
BTW I don't think any mini-van is attractive.
#553 of 7485 Good to read about wholesome, decent teen agers
Aug 10, 2001 (7:28 pm)
Sure wish more young men would drive responsibly and act as mature as 4aodge. Question: Do young men who drive DC minivans drive more responsibly because responsible parents buy a DC minivan OR does the elegance of the Chrysler Town & Country develop a responsible young man?
#554 of 7485 DIFFICULT to chose the best van
Aug 10, 2001 (7:41 pm)
DaimlerChrysler, Odyssey, and Sienna are all very good choices. DaimlerChrysler are the most attractive with the most comfort items. Odyssey has the most power for 2002 with the most cargo space and for me in hot weather, the 2001 Ody had the most comfortable seats. Sienna is very nice with Toyota having the best perceived reliability but Sienna is noticeably smaller.
As I read in the Town Hall Problems Forums, I read of more problems with Odyssey or Sienna than with Voyager, Caravan, or Town & Country. How can the Town Hall be so different than Consumer Reports? Are real people with real names more honest than the fictious owners quoted in CR?
#555 of 7485 Carleton
Aug 10, 2001 (8:18 pm)
It may be because the Honda Odyssey and Sienna topics had a huge following in the past. I remember how quickly we had to start and freeze new iterations of the Odyssey topic with the past software. It's not a fair comparison since the sample sizes are completely different. You have to take the weighted average for it to be a fair comparison.
CR's ratings are not fictious. They verify it by asking you to provide your vehicle's VIN in the surveys. I myself have participated many times in the past. If they were just printing garbage, people would've noticed in the last couple of decades (at least) that they've been doing this. It's easier for someone to create multiple TH usernames (which is a no-no, BTW) and post fictious comments on a vehicle.
CR doesn't have to publish a sample size probably because their minimum size is large enough for it to be statistically valid. If they don't have a large enough sample, they simply print "not enough data available). Considering how many Chrysler minivans are sold, I think it's a safe bet that their data is reliable.
Oh BTW, I just found out that my transmission was changed after my torque converter blew up at about 30K kms, several years ago. So in fact, my van with about 60K miles on it is on its second transmission. The one Chrysler dealership in town has done all of the servicing, and the vehicle hasn't even been out of the province! No towing either. Just 80% city/20% highway driving. Usually just two to four people inside, and on occasion (maybe once every 6 months) 6 or 7 people.
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#556 of 7485 Good for you Adam
Aug 10, 2001 (8:52 pm)
Adam - I'm glad to hear you like driving your T&C so much. It's amazing for me to hear a teenager admit to liking a minivan. I think it's great you haven't given into all the status and all.
I don't think my son will drive my wife's T&C at all now that he has his license. He's commented on all the cool stuff it has (i.e., chrome wheels, leather, etc.) but would not be caught dead driving it. He calls our van a silver loaf of bread on shiny wheels. He's caught up in the whole SUV thing, but I guess I can see why driving a van with the perceived notion that it's a "mommy mobile" or "soccer mom" car wouldn't be to his liking.
Both my kids have very reputable cars of high quality ('00 VW Jetta, '01 Honda Civic) yet they still wish they had a Pathfinder or Grand Cherokee like "everyone else" at school. My daughter calls the student parking lot at our community's school the "Jeep/BMW outdoor showroom."
Sorry if I'm getting off-topic, but I guess I was just saying I guess my kids fall into that cliche, but at least they aren't driving a $50,000 BMW X5 SUV as THEIR own car at 16 like one of my daughter's friends.... Anyway, Adam, good for you for not always going with the crowd, and you're drivng a very nice car, too.
#557 of 7485 Consumer Reports again
Aug 11, 2001 (5:57 am)
Consumer Reports surveys its subscribers, all of whom are real people, presumably. Online forums are self-selective. As Drew said, it's easy to use psuedonyms or even post false information. Trolls on usenet have been doing this for years. Online forums usually attract more complaints than compliments. Owner demographics may vary from one model to another. You can be sure if taking problem reports off Usenet or Edmunds was a scientific method of sampling, then JD Power or CR would save a bundle of money using it rather than sending out survey forms.
I noticed that the post on the "Soccer Moms new choice in minivans" forum where you touted some Consumer Reports reliability results has been deleted. Another change of heart? In any case, it would still be nice to see your response to the questions posted on that forum.
I find a flaw in the fact that CR samples only its subscribers. This is not a scientific technique, as their subscribers do not likely represent a random demographic. In addition, it is likely their subscribers could be influenced by CR's editorial content. Even so, I would tend to believe CR's results are far more realistic than any small sampling of friends or tally of posts from online forums.