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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#510 of 7485 Re: Decision
Jul 31, 2001 (7:18 pm)
It's a toss up. I myself have owned three Chrysler vans and the 2001 is far better built than the 1996. Granted, I was lucky that after 48,000 miles, my 1996 LXi was perfect other than the phantom windshield wipers and phantom door locks it had, which were fixed.
But the 2001 truly does seem to be more upscale and solid than the 1996. About the resale....well it's crap. There's no getting around it. It's up to you, because the 2002 Odyssey with factory leather and navigation will be around $30,000. Now for that kind of money, you could also get a new 2002 T&C Limited or get a T&C LXi for less than or equal to the $30,000. The MSRP may be $36,000 on a Limited, but I only paid around $30,000 on mine.
So getting a good price on a Chrysler van is not a problem. The resale is more the problem, but I guess that is more up to the individual about whether or not they want to save 4-5 grand in the long run based on resale, but then forgo the luxury they've become accustomed to in a Chrysler.
On the plus side, if you've been truly burned by Chrysler, than the Odyssey may bring you more peace of mind knowing it has a better history than the Chrysler. But again, the 2001 and on Chrysler vans are truly more refined than the 1996-2000 vans.
2002 Honda Odyssey EX main features
- leather interior
- navigation system
- power driver's seat
- digital automatic climate control
- foldaway third seat
- second row buckets/bench
- fold away tray table
- power doors
- homelink garage opener
2002 Town & Country Limited main features
- leather/sued interior
- dual heated power seats
- memory for driver's seat, mirrors, radio presets, and pedals
- triple zone digital automatic climate control
- tip forward buckets to third row
- power/manual doors
- power liftgate
- 4 disc CD changer
- automatic rearview and driver's side mirror
- trip computer
- compass/temperature readout
- homelink garage opener
- power adjustable pedals
- power removable center console
Aug 01, 2001 (9:45 am)
It really depends on what you want now. It's hard to know what would happen 4-5 years from now. I really don't concern much about resale value. Let say you paid $30,000 for a new Honda or a DC today. After 5 years, even the Honda's resale value is $5000 (unlikely) higher than the DC, you are paying about $2.74 more per day. That's about the cost of a cup of Starbucks. Well some people here might tell you to add the cost of replacing the tranny or other stuff if you own a DC vans but do they really know that would happen? The new Honda might give you the leather but would they use the same uncomfortable padding (MY OPINION) as the current cloth seats? Or will it still be a bit noisy than the current DC vans? You definitely will get the "magic seat" only from Honda if this is what you need and I am not sure if the new Honda gives you the power liftgate. Again, this is your money and we are not driving or riding your van.
#512 of 7485 1996 GC LE update
Aug 01, 2001 (3:26 pm)
Just wanted to update you on our GC LE that had 243,000 miles at the beginning of June. We now have 254,000 miles on the minivan. Contrary to some guesses, I am not a salesman. I am a country lawyer with four kids, one in college and two in high school. The van has hauled dorm stuff, building supplies (we have a 100 year old house), bicycles and tons of teenagers to every possible sporting event, concert and school function. Our LE has virtually every option that you could get in 1996. The little stuff is starting to fail, but the body is in great shape, the tranny is still working like a trooper, and the engine is only using a quart between oil changes.
My secret? We let the engine warm up briefly and start the first trip of the day slowly. I do drive fast (5 speeding tickets in 3 years) but I don't stomp on the accelerator unless I have too. We also change oil in both the engine & tranny religiously. We have a great Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealer in our little town in Iowa.
We are starting to look at 2002 Town & Country Ltd.s as our next vehicle, now that the kids are more "mature." Depending on cash flow, we'll probably replace the 96 LE in Dec./Jan. The eldest wants the 96 for college. She claims it'll be a great car pool vehicle for weekend visits from college. If she takes it to college, it may even get to set still for a day or two. We'll see . . .
My family recognizes that Honda makes a good product, but in Iowa we like to buy American, and why would we switch brands when the last two minivans we bought racked up over 250,000 miles? Oh, by the way Honda followers, a disappearing seat does not mean that you have evolved from a higher order of primates, soooo be nice when discussing the relative merits of the minivans.
#514 of 7485 Unbiased comparison test drive of 2001 Ody EX with repeat test drive of 99 GC SE
Aug 02, 2001 (5:14 pm)
This is as honest and fair as possible:
I drove my sister's 2001 Ody EX that had 3677 miles on odometer today (228.4 on trip meter). It read 3712 (263.3 trip)at the end. Our 99 GC SE read 30809 (trip 226.8) at beginning and 30843 (trip 260.8)at end. Either the Ody gas gauge is way off or our GC gets much better mileage as the Ody fuel gage read 1/3 of way between Empty and 1/2. Our GC gage read 1/3 way between half and Full.....
The Ody odometer registered 34.9 miles while exactly same drive GC registered 34.0 miles. Now for the comparison:
Ody 3.5L has slight edge 65-75 MPH acceleration while GC SE 3.3L has slight edge starting to 30 MPH. Equally quiet. Equally smooth ride. Ody auto climate control worked VERY WELL...our manual control cooled just as efficiently. Ody front fan has about 12 speeds while ours has 5. I could not detect noise from Magic Seat well nor did the stereo sound very badly.
Our GC had more engine noise under acceleration than did Ody. Ody seats more comfortable for me than our GC SE but the 2001 GC SE and Sport and all Voyagers are also better than our 99. I liked horizontal crease in Ody seats as my back felt less sticky than with our seats. Temperature was 97 F when I drove Ody and 101 F when I drove GC.
At MSRP the Ody is the best buy. At actual prices paid it is difficult to choose. Depreciation is moot to us as we keep a very long time or give to a daughter. Reliability is moot also as our 99 GC SE has had zero problems.
Aug 02, 2001 (6:13 pm)
But what about the all-important padded vs. non-padded armrest comparison????
#516 of 7485 Carlton1-unbiased
Aug 02, 2001 (7:23 pm)
What am I supposed to write about now? You can't do this to me. I'll have to go find some die hard GM fan, on the what's wrong with GM thread, to pimp now.
#517 of 7485 4aodge
Aug 02, 2001 (7:47 pm)
Twenty years ago you could have gotten petty much the same statement regarding customer loyalty from the Detriot big three. Never say never about anything.
I didn't mean that they didn't change anything on the transmission for over a decade but, that it took them that long to accomplish any significant reduction in tranny problems.
#518 of 7485 xxsnOblindxx
Aug 02, 2001 (8:12 pm)
Weren't you trying to post your story on the dumbest thing I've done in a car thread on the news and views board?
For the safety of the rest of us. Please tell us when you are on the road since, you clearly feel you own the whole thing.
Aug 03, 2001 (6:48 am)
I have to admit, that report was much more balanced than I expected. Kudos.
You are correct in observing the fuel gauge problem. Obviously, there is not that huge a difference in the gas mileage. We have had our Odyssey for 3 weeks now and have noticed the same thing. When the gauge gets all the way on empty, my wife fills up the van and only puts 14-15 gallons in it. It has a 20 gallon tank.
I saw on another board that Honda's official explanation for this is that because of the magic seat, the fuel tank is very shallow, which makes it difficult to accurately measure the fuel level.
Actually, it works out fine for us. I have been trying to condition my wife for years to fill up at 3/4 of a tank, instead of running it to empty. I think it's better for the engine to not be using the gas from the bottom of the tank, where all the dirt accumulates. Anyway, it never took, but now she fills up at 3/4 of a tank anyway, even when she thinks it's on empty.