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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#501 of 7485 dc reliability
Jul 31, 2001 (10:45 am)
odd1, even if honda could produce enough vehicles to keep up with demand i doubt they would outsell dc minivans. out of the millions of people that have purchased dc minivans, most are satsified and return for a a new chrysler minivan, if they are still interested in buying that type of car. chrysler has the strongest brand loyalty when it comes to minivans than any other company, including honda.
i doubt people who are on their 3rd, 4th, and even 5th dc minivan are going to jump ship just to get a honda with a dissapearing third row seat. our old 1994 mitsubishi expo had a seat that folded into the floor and we did not miss that feature when we got our 1998 grand caravan se with the roll-out seats. its really too bad a "magic seat" is now the benchmark that determines the worthiness of a minivan.
in fact, dc has not gone 10 years without doing anything about their transmissions. they have upgraded and modified the 41TE transmission as time as moved on and it became more clear that there was a problem. the transmission failure rates have declined over the last few years, which shows improvment. also, dc minivans are not the only chryslers that use the 41TE transmission. many other new chrysler products use this transmission and are flawless when it comes to trany problems.
out of all the 2001 dc minivans that are on the road, some are bound to get into accidents. some of which are very serious, similar to the insurance company's test. have there ever been reports of a crashed dc minivan leaking fuel and exploding? i havent heard of any. chrysler tests their vehicles in a different and more realistic way than the insurance companies do. sorry oddy owners, dc minivans in fact do not blow up spontaneously as you would like to believe.
why did chrysler redesign the fuel part in the 2002 vans? thats a rather simple question. why go through the same media-enduced panic over a part that is called "faulty" a second year in a row? car companies always make their parts stronger and harder to break, chrysler is doing the same. its also interesting this is the same insurance company that seems to have a habbit of giving the most popular cars bad crash tests. a perfect example is the best selling vehicle in america, the ford f-150. ford is probably one of the safest car companies out there in terms of their new car designs. people like to give sales leaders a hard time in order to shift the balance of power.
this "fuel problem" is of no concern to me until i hear of a real accident where fuel was leaking from a dodge caravan or town and country, which has not occured yet and probably never will. until then, im not going to run around calling dc minivans "firebombs" just so i can make myself feel better about buying a honda, as some others are doing in this thread.
Jul 31, 2001 (10:51 am)
Well you just gave us another reason to stay out of WI and Honda owners will claim all DC owners drive like an a*****e...thanks a lot!!
#503 of 7485 Just Goes to Show....
Jul 31, 2001 (11:32 am)
that putting a lot of money and mods into any vehicle will give you some performance. Hope you were alone in the van at the time (can't stand people who: (1) race on public roads and (2) race wih passengers on board). Just don't get into an accident in your old school van, okay?
BTW, I'm sure that the driver in Ody figured out you weren't stock and also, the 3.5 is only single head cam, not DOHC.
#504 of 7485 FINALLY: I now know of an owner of a DC minivan that had transmission failure
Jul 31, 2001 (1:33 pm)
And here is the E-Mail of my sister telling of her daughter and son-in-law's T&C transmission failure recently (Name of town deleted for security reasons):
"They have driven over 150,000 miles. They have needed it to pull their trailor, so I'm sure that put extra stress on the transmission. With your loving care, I'm sure your Caravan will prove dependable as ours. It will cost around $1500. They had it towed to ????(free towing as Chrysler is fixing transmission)."
FYI my sister's 86 Caravan they got USED had 170,000 when they sold it. It is still providing outstanding service for 3rd owners. The T&C with transmission failure was purchased USED.
As with almost all owners of DC minivans, they love it so much they will KEEP it.
#505 of 7485 Question
Jul 31, 2001 (3:22 pm)
Is the transmission the 3 or 4 speed auto? No, I am not challenging your claim, just curious. BTW, how long do you intend to keep yours? If almost all DC owners keep their vans, then how come there is such a huge used market for these things? (By most, it infers greater than 50%, right?) Am I missing something here?
#506 of 7485 DTKWOK: As eneth, hotspur, capecooder, etc. would say "Small Sample Size"
Jul 31, 2001 (3:29 pm)
The T&C is either an LXi or Limited and has the 3.8L V6 with 4 speed and tan leather interior and is a model between 1996 and 2000. I have seen it but do not know the year.
Apparently some members of the Town Hall can not believe that so many people (that I know personally)can have excellent experience with a DC minivan while NONE have had reliability problems. I can understand as I had BAD experiences with 5 Volkswagens....2 purchased NEW and 3 purchased as Used. I also had an ugly experience with the NEW Volvo I purchased and so did a co-worker with a NEW Volvo.
Most people who buy NEW DC minivans keep them for a long time. The ones who get problems usually bought one that had been abused as a fleet, rental, etc. where the driver did not own it. Since DC minivans are THE minivan of choice for Fleet, Rental, etc. there are obvious many of these that are sold when about 1 year old with 30,000 miles.
I would like to rent an Odyssey or Sienna to be able to drive it enough to see how they drive in the real world experience. Do you know where I can rent one?
#507 of 7485 Actually
Jul 31, 2001 (3:43 pm)
I have a friend who has an old Dodge van (pre-Daimler) who claims to have over 200,000 miles on it, I believe it was a 4 banger turbo with a manual transmission? I haven't personally seen it myself, but am willing to keep an open mind about it. The fact is, I know of more people that have had serious tranny problems than success stories, people including friends, friends of relatives, co-workers, and especially independent mechanics - they're the ones who deal with these things day in, day out. IF DC can prove excellent reliability (say for a total of 10-15 years) then I'll consider one, but before that, I'll take my good Honda experiences with me.
#508 of 7485 How long do we plan to keep our 99 GC SE?
Jul 31, 2001 (3:58 pm)
We got it March 20, 1999 as the GG Ody LX-C we ordered March 16 would take 5 months to be delivered. I had planned to trade it in on a 2001 or 2002 Odyssey...or if it had no problems, sell it to one of our daughters.
We have looked very closely at all minivans at the Annual Auto Show each January with special attention to Odyssey, Sienna, and DC minivans. GM FWD appear cheap with less comfortable seats. The Windstar is difficult to access rear seat and seems to have less legroom in 2nd and 3rd rows. The Quest, Villager and MPV seem much smaller. We have not yet seen a new Kia Sedona.
Now that we have driven it 30,710 miles since March 20, 1999 my wife likes our 99 GC SE better than the Odyssey, Sienna or 2001 DC minivans. For her, the Ody glove box intrudes into her legs as a front seat passenger. She does not want to take a chance on getting ANY new minivan and parting with our zero problem 99 GC as there is a remote chance of getting a vehicle with problems with any brand.
I have purchased some excellent vehicles (63 Impala, 67 Impala, 80 Impala, 87 Chevy R-10, 91 Astro CL and now 99 GC SE)and some bad new ones (71 Vega, 71 VW Super Beetle, 72 Volvo and 80 Chevy Citation) plus some bad used ones (65 VW Pickup in Germany,71 VW Bus, 77 VW Bus) and some that were average: 65 Buick Special DeLuxe, 76 Chevy Nova, 78 Impala wagon, 81 Chevy C-10 pickup...all NEW plus a used 50 Chevy sedan and 65 Olds Delta 88.
Summary for all vehicles:
6 Excellent for 32 %
4 Bad for 21%
4 Average for 21%
2 Average for 11%
3 Bad for 16%
(Rounding off accounts for the wrong total of 101%)
Jul 31, 2001 (6:21 pm)
I am currently working on the choice between Odyssey and Town & Country.
I have '96 LXI with 97K; just replaced transmission, head and A/C is apparently next. Not particularly pleased with that rapid trio of repairs!
The Odyssey has power at a higher range of PM (slower starts), interior noise, mediocre interior, 2 disc/2 drum brakes. However, it seems to be holding $$ value.
The DC vans have better ride, smoother power, better accommodations, more features; but don't hold $$ value as well.
My choice is now whether I buy a vehicle that is comfortable and more user friendly or a rather plain mini van for economic future reasons.
#510 of 7485 Re: Decision
Jul 31, 2001 (7:18 pm)
It's a toss up. I myself have owned three Chrysler vans and the 2001 is far better built than the 1996. Granted, I was lucky that after 48,000 miles, my 1996 LXi was perfect other than the phantom windshield wipers and phantom door locks it had, which were fixed.
But the 2001 truly does seem to be more upscale and solid than the 1996. About the resale....well it's crap. There's no getting around it. It's up to you, because the 2002 Odyssey with factory leather and navigation will be around $30,000. Now for that kind of money, you could also get a new 2002 T&C Limited or get a T&C LXi for less than or equal to the $30,000. The MSRP may be $36,000 on a Limited, but I only paid around $30,000 on mine.
So getting a good price on a Chrysler van is not a problem. The resale is more the problem, but I guess that is more up to the individual about whether or not they want to save 4-5 grand in the long run based on resale, but then forgo the luxury they've become accustomed to in a Chrysler.
On the plus side, if you've been truly burned by Chrysler, than the Odyssey may bring you more peace of mind knowing it has a better history than the Chrysler. But again, the 2001 and on Chrysler vans are truly more refined than the 1996-2000 vans.
2002 Honda Odyssey EX main features
- leather interior
- navigation system
- power driver's seat
- digital automatic climate control
- foldaway third seat
- second row buckets/bench
- fold away tray table
- power doors
- homelink garage opener
2002 Town & Country Limited main features
- leather/sued interior
- dual heated power seats
- memory for driver's seat, mirrors, radio presets, and pedals
- triple zone digital automatic climate control
- tip forward buckets to third row
- power/manual doors
- power liftgate
- 4 disc CD changer
- automatic rearview and driver's side mirror
- trip computer
- compass/temperature readout
- homelink garage opener
- power adjustable pedals
- power removable center console