Last post on Mar 23, 2008 at 7:43 AM
You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#4498 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [swb9]
Sep 07, 2005 (1:16 pm)
Agree with marine2 with a few additions.
# 1. There was a Chrysler Voyager clone of regular, short wheel base Caravan from January 1, 2002 until the name was changed to Chrysler T&C. The T&C with no letters after it is a short wheel base clone of Dodge Caravan. In 2002, each had a 7 year 100,000 powertrain warranty that would be transferable to next owner IF the original owner had purchased an additional DaimlerChrysler warranty for other items. That made the original 7 yeard 100,000 powertrain warranty transferable for the same length of time as the additional warranty.
# 2. A used 2002 Odyssey will cost you about twice as much as a used Grand Caravan or Town & Country in same condition due to the perceived better reliability of Honda which may or may not be the case. An equally nice 2002 Sienna would cost slightly less than the 2002 Odyssey but each costs much more than Grand Caravan or T&C.
# 3. Have you considered either a NEW 2005 Caravan or T&C with the HUGE discounts now in effect as long as dealers have NEW 2005 models? They would cost not much more than a used 2002 Odyssey or 2002 Sienna and you would have a NEW vehicle with a long factory warranty.
# 4. Also to look at are NEW Kia Sedonas or Mazda MPVs that also have large discounts and are very reasonably priced or even a used 2002 MPV or Sedona?
#4499 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [swb9]
Sep 07, 2005 (5:07 pm)
1) Check out the different areas of this forum...it's invaluable
2) If you want smaller minivan, there's the SWB Chrysler vans, and also Mazda MPV. I was very impressed by Mazda but needed LWB for extra space. In my opinion, for the difference, I'd go with a larger minivan.
3) If you go to the Chrysler minivan problems on this forum, you'll see many owners wtih many many miles on their DCX products. Any modern vehicle can last 250k+ miles, it's just maintaining it and taking care of little things as they come up.
4) One other thing to consider...how you going to use this? Hauling kids around and Home Depot runs? or empty nesters? I think the Honda and Toyota are "too prissy" i.e..nice, to stand up to some abuse.
#4500 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [swb9]
Sep 07, 2005 (5:46 pm)
One other item:
The smaller minivans ( MPV, Caravan, SWB T&C ) would fit more easily into the smaller garage of older homes or even new homes when space is at a premium. The smaller minivans can still carry 7 people with seat buckles for all and have adequate cargo space for many people unless 6 or 7 people are going camping or must take a large quantity of luggage.
#4501 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [hansienna]
Sep 07, 2005 (5:57 pm)
Yeah, I would go short wheel base MPV or Dodge Caravan instead of a used Honda Ody. Why pay 18k-20k for a used 2002 Ody with 60,000 miles, when you can get a brand spanking new MPV or Caravan loaded fairly sweetly for the same amount? Plus, you'll be getting piece of mind with 4 years/50,000mile warranty of the MPV or the ,,,what 3yr/36,000 bumper to bumper and 7yr/70,000 powertrain warranty on the Dodge. Of course if I had to choose between the two I would pick the MPV....which I did. Zoom Zoom
#4502 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [swb9]
Sep 08, 2005 (12:07 pm)
Me and my Wife back in September 2003 were in the market for a used minivan. Safety, reliability, cost and features were all considered. After doing careful research here on Edmunds and using other resources, we ended up buying a new/used two year old 2001 DGC EX for $15,995.00 with only 37K. (This was well below the budget we set). We were able to get the rear cargo organizer, an alarm, Maximumcare bumper to bumper warranty to May 2007 or 75K, (the original warranty expired from miles) and paint protection with all taxes and title included for just over $19,000. At the time of purchase, according to KBB, our van was worth over $18,000 to which the original price new was around $26,000 -27,000. So we were blessed to find our vechicle of choice with color, features, reliability, warranty and cost. We paid cash, so no car note. Man what a good feeling to own a new/used car with no car note. Out of five cars I've owned, I only had one car note which was my Wife's car that she had before we got married. (To which we own together now). We now have over 64K and the only problem that we've had, was right after purchase when both front window regulator motors needed to be replaced. Replaced the battery in mid 2004 along with the gas cap. We had some front suspension work done from a knocking noise. (Covered under warranty). Outside of these few things, everything works just as it's suppose to and our van has been very reliable. Although now we are going to have to replace both lifters on the liftgate sometime in the future, since they are getting weak from time and use. It will only cost us under $50 and time of course. Good luck with your research and future purchase.
#4503 of 7485 Re: Honda doesn"t do it. [dennisctc]
Sep 09, 2005 (8:51 pm)
We've been seeing for months now, the dismal MPG the Oddys are getting. Maybe on the CR test loop it gets better mileage than a Dodge, but real world experience isn't close.
I have the numbers from CR they are free online until Nov. 2nd. 2005 Honda Odyssey Highway EPA28 CR 28 City EPA 20 CR12 Overall 19 EPA 23. Overall a 17.4% shortfall for the Odyssey.
Now Dodge GC SXT City EPA-18 CR-11(Even less than the Ody) Highway EPA 24 CR-25(Not bad) Overall EPA 21 CR-17. 19% shortfall.
Stil better overall mileage! Even the 12 MPG city looks good compared to DCX.
I wonder how the HEMIs with cylinder deactivation fare? I haven't read latest CR yet.
This along with 4 other models were tops at underpreforming in percent from EPA for that type of vehicle! 300C 41% less than EPA.
So are we now playing the percentage game ??? Like having 1/4 of the recalls of an Oddy is pretty good? or how about spending 20-30% less on a Dodge minivan is fantastic!!!!
The best thing to do is go out and try and find the best van that suits you. Cost features etc. The price of the Ody is high(now 20-30% is a little out there for the same features) but I think It's worth it. I am happy with the added safety features I have standard. I can only say no problems here and I expect the Odyssey to be at least average in reliability. The 2006 should even be better!!
#4504 of 7485 Re: Looking to purchase a new or used minivan for growing family... [swb9]
Sep 09, 2005 (9:09 pm)
I had been looking for a used 2002 Odyssey w/low miles, but I'm getting a little nervous after having read of the problems that forum members have been having with the transmissions and other parts of the 2002s.
The main problem was a lack of lubrication to 2nd gear. All of these trannys should have been inspected and modified(if no damage was found) or replaced. Honda also has a 100,000 mile warrenty on it. As with anything that mechanicial these vans do have some problems. You can get quite a bit for your money from a 2002/2003 Dodge or Chrysler(which I prefer because it holds better value) the Honda is in high demand so resale value is a little high. The SWB/MPV route is fine it you have 2 or less kids. The storage behind the 3rd row seat is tight to say the least.
Is there a consensus in the Odyssey v. Town & Country debate? I know even less about the T&C than I do the Oddy....does the T&C suffer from the problems that many American vans have? Will it only be reliable for 100,000 miles and then die an untimely death? Also, is there a model that's smaller/shorter than the others?Also, whether I ultimately buy an Odyssey or a T&C, are there any years/models I should stay away from?
You can make cars last a long time no matter what the brand. The main thing is to stay on top of the maintenance. I had a 2001 DCX van it was ok but first year of model so I had my share of unscheduled dealer visits. Never got stranded, so not too bad. 2002+ should be fine. CR rates them average, cars are so dependable now average is great compared to 20 years ago. 1999 Odyssey also had quite a few more problems than the years after that! Hope you find a good car!! GOOD LUCK!!!
#4505 of 7485 As usual....
Sep 12, 2005 (9:27 am)
I question CR's test methodology. I have yet to read or hear of people getting as poor city fuel economy as they did for a several of their vehicles. Lower than EPA, yes, but 40% lower? Not one account. How is their information useful except to get people upset?
#4506 of 7485 Re: As usual.... [aaron_t]
Sep 12, 2005 (9:39 am)
I question both EPA and CR methodologies, especially so when it comes to city driving mileage. It can vary so much from driver to driver and city to city that it is almost impossible to develop a one size fits all test. If you live and drive in a very congested large city you could spend an inordinate amount of time sitting and idling. On the other hand, if you drive in a less congested city or drive primarily in less congested suburb areas of the larger cities, or in a less congested "midsize" city, your city mileage could easily beat the CR or the EPA city ratings.
Add to that the ability of the manufacturers, with the sophisiticated software now used to control engines and transmissions, to design their engine/drive train control software to beat the EPA test, it is nearly impossible to determine in advance what kind of mileage an individual driver will get, relative to anyone's published data.
#4507 of 7485 Re:EPA and CR methodologies for determining "City Mileage" [badgerfan]
Sep 12, 2005 (12:58 pm)
Many years ago before the freeway became crowded one co-worker was bragging about city mileage but when questioned, her city driving was 15 miles interstate with only one stop light going home from work or to work. She lived a few blocks from the freeway and work was just one block off the freeway with one "right on red" stoplight intersection enroute to work. We worked the 2:30 PM to 11:00 PM shift when traffic was normally very light each way.
On the other hand, I had a total of 5 miles each way with 7 stop lights with less than 2 miles on the freeway. Our "city driving" was so different that no reasonable comparison on gas mileage was possible based on driving to and from work. My vehicle had just warmed up to ideal operating temperature.
The ONLY reasonable comparison of mileage between vehicles is to drive them each on a round trip on exactly same long route at the same time...and that is virtually impossible. The EPA "Highway" rating is the closest to fair comparison that can be made and then as badgerfan pointed out, manufacturers can cheat on that test.