Last post on Mar 23, 2008 at 8:43 AM
You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#3489 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:22 am)
Oh now the Honda conspiracy theories. BTW both Bush and Kerry are unfit to run this country, and the grades where the same with Bush falling off and Kerry's getting better. Hey do you think Bush actually went to school or was he working on a campaign somewhere?? Mr. I won't volunteer for overseas duty. I don't understand the superiority of people saying I paid 10,000 less and got more, like if you bought a Honda you got ripped. I wanted VSC on my next car so dodge was out. Mine was a ok vehicle and I have few regrets. Oh I did see at the end of 2005 the star ratings improved are you sure you got the later model year. You sure you got the later model Marine2???? I'd check the born on date!!! BTW is the offset crash test still marginal.
Here is what IIHS has to say about it VSC.
ARLINGTON, VA -- About half of the 28,000 fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping cars and SUVs with electronic stability control (ESC) can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
Now a look at deaths per 100,000 registered vehicle.
Of course this data is for older vehicles. Gives me a good idea though.
Honda Odyssey(1999-2002)- 19
Chrysler Town & country(2001-2002)- 38
Dodge Grand Caravan(2001-2002)- 52
Dodge Caravan(2001-2002)- 83 (worst of the group)
When I bought me Dodge it was fine but I wouldn't have done it if the crash tests had been out. Cars are better all the time and car ownership is a very personal decision. In my mind we all did what's best for us. I just want to put out why I chose Honda this time.
So all drive safe and take care, the main way to stop traffic incidents is to be aware and drive with your and everyone else's safety in mind. BTW I love a good debates, So thanks Dennis.
#3490 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:34 am)
Yes, I did get the later make. I'm glad you noticed that Chrysler wasn't satisfied with a four star rating, so the went back and improved their van and got it tested again and got four, five star ratings. Honda still has only had one frontal test done on their new van. Why is it Chrysler can have theirs tested 6 times in one year but Honda can only do one? Why didn't they do the other three?
#3491 of 7485 Re: I don't think... [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:35 am)
"Seems like a rear end job to me? "
Sounds like an opportunity!
From the a memorable bumper sticker,
"Hit me. I want to retire early"
#3492 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [marine2]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:45 am)
What do you mean?? The 2005 Odyssey is a BEST pick by the IIHS for offset. and it got 5 stars all around. What tests did Dodge do the Honda didn't please specify and give me a link. I'd like to see it.
#3493 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:49 am)
BTW both Bush and Kerry are unfit to run this country, and the grades where the same with Bush falling off and Kerry's getting better.
Actually, Bush's final culm score was one point higher than Kerry's. And it was the dems running around claiming their guy was more educated, smarter, nuanced etc...while attacking Bush constantly as an idiot, stupid etc.. No one claimed Bush was Einstein! No wonder Kerry withheld his records til after the election, and even now only allowed the Globe to review parts of them!! Here's what the Boston Globe wrote:
But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.
I don't understand the superiority of people saying I paid 10,000 less and got more, like if you bought a Honda you got ripped.
I paid $10k less and in some areas i'm missing some features i.e... VCS, 5spd auto etc. But then I have some features Honda's don't like knee airbags, Stow N Go, power vent windows etc... I personally didn't feel the Honda was worth that price difference. If the DCX had been same price I maybe would have the Honda.
FYI - I live near Detroit. Everyone can find "employee discounts" on Big 3 vehicles if they look around. If the Big 3 follow GM extending employee discounts to ALL, Honda/Toyota will have to offer something or lose market share.
#3494 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (10:12 am)
Sorry, I went back today and seen they have all those tests listed, but I only found one listed yesterday. and that was the frontal crash test. They did not list the side, frontal offset, or the side,driver/rear.
According to what is listed now, both vans got all five star ratings in all the tests.
#3495 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (10:12 am)
Fair enough Dennis. The VSC is something I couldn't live without. Also there is good and bad Honda dealers. The ones in OC Ca. were a bitch to deal with they were starting at 2000.00 over MSRP and not budging. The ones Inland a little needed the business so I paid $180 over invoice. I had to drive to Fontana but the experience was good. My local dealer is Family Honda. They wanted to treat me like my family and rip me off. I ran away as fast as I could. IMHO if you too far left or right you start to lose focus of what is really going on. We need a goverment that is addressing the issues and not trying to make a big deal about petty crap. Please fix Social security, Medicare, Go back to Paygo, train the troops in Iraq and pray it works out, we need hard work(as Bush say) but all I see is partisan politics and the blame game.
#3496 of 7485 Stick to cars, not politics
Jun 12, 2005 (12:57 pm)
Hey gang - let's keep the discussions on cars and leave politics out of it.
#3497 of 7485 Re: Brother's van [marine2]
Jun 12, 2005 (3:14 pm)
I think that this is impressive and very lucky for a Chrysler Corp. product. We owned two Chryslers , and learned never to buy one again due to the suspension problems, dangerous transmission failures, and numerous creaks, rattles, and instances of poor interior quality.
Oh, and, by the way, Plymouth made only the Voyager and Grand Voyager van. Dodge makes the Caravan (and Grand Caravan). Chrysler now manufactures the Voyager as the 'bargain basement' Caravan alternative, but only Dodge made the Caravan. Just thought I would clear that up....
(Although a mistake on Chrysler's part by putting the wrong badge on a car wouldn't surprise me at all, and frankly, would be one of the least of that company's manufacturing problems! )
#3498 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (3:35 pm)
You are right in your subject line..."One has to wonder..."
One has to wonder why someone would pass over a brand of vehicle with proven reliability, superior power and fuel economy, a Best Pick from the IIHS crash test people, and one of the top resale values in its class.... Could I be wrong? Let's examine the facts...
Resale Value : Original Price on a 2000 Odyssey EX without NAVI system -$27000
Current Resale Value (according to Intellichoice): $15862
Original Price on a 2000 Dodge Caravan ES -$29405
Current Resale Value (according to Intellichoice): $10895
No, couldn't be that....B/C he just lost seven grand in five years from new price to resale
2000 Odyssey horsepower-210 ; 2005 Odyssey horsepower-255
2000 Gr. Caravan horsepower-180 (in top form) ; 2005 Gr. Caravan horsepower- 215
Nope....Honda wins that battle too...hmmm. I know, I bet it's the quality or new car value, right?
Intellichoice's Best Van under $25,000 : Honda Odyssey LX
Intellichoice's Best Van over $25,000: Honda Odyssey EX
Wow, the Dodge loses that too. Seems like a good thing that Dodge offers no less than a thousand dollars off the sticker at any given point, because Honda mops the floor with it.
Will you buy a Honda over a Dodge now? It really doesen't matter to me. But you can't say I didn't warn you!