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You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#3485 of 7485 Brother's van
Jun 12, 2005 (5:22 am)
I called my brother just a few minutes ago and asked him about his minivan. I was wrong in it being a Dodge, it's a Plymouth Caravan. A 1993, with 128,000 miles on it. He said outside of normal servicing, he replaced the freeze plugs on the engine last year and replaced brakes and rotors about two and a half years ago. It's a 3.3, which I drove once and it didn't seem to lack power to me. Although I didn't get to drive it up in the mountains like I did mine.
#3486 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [marine2]
Jun 12, 2005 (6:40 am)
Maybe it's like John Kerry not wanting to release his full military records til 6 months after the election, and even then, only to one Newspaper. LOL...Mr. "Nuanced" turned out to be worst student than Bush, who Libs call all sorts of names.
And look at what GM did to their vans to improve crash performance...put a big ugly nose on the front end!!! UGLY!!!! but it does work
#3487 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (6:52 am)
I have also been trying to find the crash tests for our 2004 Honda Civic, since it had a new body style. The 2005 is the same. But they still haven't tested it. The older style did quite well. But I know nothing on this one and the wife drives the Civic.
#3488 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [marine2]
Jun 12, 2005 (7:43 am)
What are you talking about? The 2004 Civic had some very minor changes only.
Crash test results are the same as before...just great.
#3489 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:22 am)
Oh now the Honda conspiracy theories. BTW both Bush and Kerry are unfit to run this country, and the grades where the same with Bush falling off and Kerry's getting better. Hey do you think Bush actually went to school or was he working on a campaign somewhere?? Mr. I won't volunteer for overseas duty. I don't understand the superiority of people saying I paid 10,000 less and got more, like if you bought a Honda you got ripped. I wanted VSC on my next car so dodge was out. Mine was a ok vehicle and I have few regrets. Oh I did see at the end of 2005 the star ratings improved are you sure you got the later model year. You sure you got the later model Marine2???? I'd check the born on date!!! BTW is the offset crash test still marginal.
Here is what IIHS has to say about it VSC.
ARLINGTON, VA -- About half of the 28,000 fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping cars and SUVs with electronic stability control (ESC) can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
Now a look at deaths per 100,000 registered vehicle.
Of course this data is for older vehicles. Gives me a good idea though.
Honda Odyssey(1999-2002)- 19
Chrysler Town & country(2001-2002)- 38
Dodge Grand Caravan(2001-2002)- 52
Dodge Caravan(2001-2002)- 83 (worst of the group)
When I bought me Dodge it was fine but I wouldn't have done it if the crash tests had been out. Cars are better all the time and car ownership is a very personal decision. In my mind we all did what's best for us. I just want to put out why I chose Honda this time.
So all drive safe and take care, the main way to stop traffic incidents is to be aware and drive with your and everyone else's safety in mind. BTW I love a good debates, So thanks Dennis.
#3490 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:34 am)
Yes, I did get the later make. I'm glad you noticed that Chrysler wasn't satisfied with a four star rating, so the went back and improved their van and got it tested again and got four, five star ratings. Honda still has only had one frontal test done on their new van. Why is it Chrysler can have theirs tested 6 times in one year but Honda can only do one? Why didn't they do the other three?
#3491 of 7485 Re: I don't think... [dennisctc]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:35 am)
"Seems like a rear end job to me? "
Sounds like an opportunity!
From the a memorable bumper sticker,
"Hit me. I want to retire early"
#3492 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [marine2]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:45 am)
What do you mean?? The 2005 Odyssey is a BEST pick by the IIHS for offset. and it got 5 stars all around. What tests did Dodge do the Honda didn't please specify and give me a link. I'd like to see it.
#3493 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (8:49 am)
BTW both Bush and Kerry are unfit to run this country, and the grades where the same with Bush falling off and Kerry's getting better.
Actually, Bush's final culm score was one point higher than Kerry's. And it was the dems running around claiming their guy was more educated, smarter, nuanced etc...while attacking Bush constantly as an idiot, stupid etc.. No one claimed Bush was Einstein! No wonder Kerry withheld his records til after the election, and even now only allowed the Globe to review parts of them!! Here's what the Boston Globe wrote:
But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.
I don't understand the superiority of people saying I paid 10,000 less and got more, like if you bought a Honda you got ripped.
I paid $10k less and in some areas i'm missing some features i.e... VCS, 5spd auto etc. But then I have some features Honda's don't like knee airbags, Stow N Go, power vent windows etc... I personally didn't feel the Honda was worth that price difference. If the DCX had been same price I maybe would have the Honda.
FYI - I live near Detroit. Everyone can find "employee discounts" on Big 3 vehicles if they look around. If the Big 3 follow GM extending employee discounts to ALL, Honda/Toyota will have to offer something or lose market share.
#3494 of 7485 Re: One has to wonder [socalawd]
Jun 12, 2005 (9:12 am)
Sorry, I went back today and seen they have all those tests listed, but I only found one listed yesterday. and that was the frontal crash test. They did not list the side, frontal offset, or the side,driver/rear.
According to what is listed now, both vans got all five star ratings in all the tests.