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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#341 of 7485 I went with the Grand Caravan again
Jun 01, 2001 (4:02 pm)
We are selling our 1992 Grand Caravan LE. This was a very good van for us. Never had the Tranny problems everyone eludes to. But I have to say I am very diligent in the area of maintenance. I service my own vehicles even though I can afford for others to work on them. I don't trust the work people do today.
My wife wanted a new van so we got another Grand Caravan in the Sport model. We got it with the following options: inferno red, side air bags, power right door, and the customer package 25H. This baby drives beautifully. Alot smoother than the 92.
I got a great deal on it also. I shopped around quite a bit and used the Internet for my research. I went to Douglas County Dodge in Georgia. They advertised the AC sport in the paper with the 25H package for $20999, includes the $2000 rebate. This price applied to all their sports. If there was a sport with additional options on the lot, they just added the invoice pricing of the option to that price. They also had the ES for 27,999, includes the $2000 rebate.
They only catch was they had a $399 documentation fee. I ended up paying $1400 under invoice without the $2000 rebate. We took the 3.9% financing. The total vehicle cost $23836 plus Tax, tag, and title.
We shopped around quite a bit. Honda's are suppose to be more reliable but the exterior/ interior colors are blah. The interior "plushness" reminds me of a cheap 4 cyl car. There was significantly more wind and engine noise.
We almost got the Winstar, but became spooked by their problems with the 2.8L head gaskets. It also had significantly more wind and engine noise.
The Sienna and Quest appeared to be much smaller and did not drive as nice.
The Gm vans had lousy crash test results.
So here we are back in a Dodge. Here's to another 10 years of smooth sailing. fingers crossed, knock on wood. But to tell you the truth, if you read these boards all Manufacturer's Minivans have writeups about poor maintenance. Most people who are happy with their vehicles, don't post. So you end up with are the few people who had a problem with their car. All cars are susceptable to failure, they are mechanical.
Jun 01, 2001 (10:40 pm)
i am a bit confused. these flying doors affect only those models with keys -- not with keyless entry. i assume this means the power sliding doors are not affected -- am i correct?
#343 of 7485 Shepherd5 re doors
Jun 08, 2001 (9:30 am)
You are right, only vans sold without remote unlocking are being recalled. You must have remote unlocking to have power door opening, therefore only SE base Dodge Caravans or base Chrysler Voyagers without the optional power door locks are affected. All others come with power door locks. If you van has a key opening in the rear side door handle it will be recalled.
#344 of 7485 GC Reliability
Jun 08, 2001 (10:19 am)
Our 1996 GC LE has 243,000 miles. We are just now having some problems. We replaced the fuel pump in January, the alternator in March, and now the computer control module. That's not too bad when you consider that the van covers over 4,000 miles a month! The fit and finish is better than our 90 GC LE, which we drove 257,000 miles. I sold it because of transmission concerns, but the engine was still sound. I'm looking to upgrade to a TC in 2002.
#345 of 7485 Will an owner of an Odyssey please post when their Odyssey has gone 243,000 miles?
Jun 08, 2001 (6:42 pm)
tlf4flf reports experiences with Grand Caravans which are about the same as that of many friends of ours who drive Chrysler and now Daimler/Chrysler minivans.
I am glad my sister and brother-in-law got a new 2001 Odyssey EX so we have one where we can readily make side-by-side comparisons. Each has very nice features. For them, the power sliding side doors and Magic Seat was important plus the "no-haggle" pricing of Odyssey.
For us,the availability of a GC, the Dual Zone Temperature Control, Overhead Console with Compass/Outside Temp/Trip Computer and a discounted price where our loaded GC SE was $1025 less than an Odyssey LX caused us to get the 1999 Grand Caravan SE.
#346 of 7485 Reliability
Jun 08, 2001 (10:45 pm)
Reaching 243,000 miles is pretty impressive, but mileage alone does not give the whole story. If you're going to cover 4000 miles/ month it seems like most of those have to be highway trips, try getting that type of reliability driving mostly city (i.e. taxi cabs), or in stop-and-go traffic. Also, you have to consider how old the car is, factors such as exposure of the hoses and other parts of the car to the elements must be considered.
As for others experiencing such great reliability, congratulations! I do not know of anyone personally, who have not had their DC van transmission or engine worked on prior to 100K miles. Can the Odyssey be much better? Definitely. Someone mentioned that the Odyssey's reliability is about the same as a DC van and vice versa. I think that's pretty darn good for a 3 year old model (how much more experience does Chrysler have???? ).
Jun 09, 2001 (8:43 pm)
DTKWOK...How many people have a computer at home 10 years ago? Technology really helps companies to build better cars for the past few years.
#348 of 7485 DTKWOK: Do you remember Tayalynn who got rid of her 1999 Odyssey after it had so many problems?
Jun 10, 2001 (7:33 am)
Obviously the Odyssey track record is NOT as good as DC minivans for 1999. There were far more problems reported by Odyssey owners for 1999 than were for DC minivans even though DC outsold Odyssey by many times. Can the Odyssey do better? I certainly hope so as I recommended an Odyssey to my sister and brother-in-law.
I do know of one DC minivan owner who had to have engine work done. It was a 1986 Caravan my sister-in-law inherited from her dad and he got it from a "Fly-By-Night" used car lot. She was the 3rd owner if not 4th or 5th.
Meanwhile, one of my sisters had a 1986 Caravan got used and hers had 170,000 miles with NO problems. John P., a co-worker of mine got a USED Grand Voyager that had 110,000 miles on it when I retired in 1996. Since he moved, I do not know how many more it accumulated with NO problems. He did NOT even have a tune-up and only maintenance he had performed was an oil and oil filter change.
Kurt J. had owned 2 DC minivans he got used and had zero problems. That is why he bought a NEW 2000 Grand Caravan LE. And I could go on and on listing the many friends who love DC minivans and are repeat customers.
Based on the unreliability of 4 Honda Accords owned by people I know (of a total of 7 in 1999), Honda reliability is much less satisfactory than the DC minivan reliability.
Jun 10, 2001 (8:58 am)
Actually i do still have a computer from about 10 years ago, a 286 and a 386, they do make excellent paper weights. =) Yes technology does help make things better, but only if you apply correctly (circular reasoning, I know).
You must think me a Honda fanatic or something. Believe me, I'm not, we had/have Fords, Nissan's, Toyota's, as well as Honda's. I don't work for any car companies nor I do know of any that does so either, so I buy whatever I think is a good buy. As for Tayalan's 1999 Odyssey lemon, what can I say? To me it's only hearsay, I can neither deny nor prove it's validity. EVERYONE makes lemons, some more than others, I don't look at it as a percentage thing but rather as how many actual defective units there are. Percentages mean nothing to those stuck with a lemon. Well also, 99 was a first year model, thus problems (more so) are expected, everyone should know that. To be fair, if you're going to compare a '99 Ody, you should do it to a '01 DC van, right? BTW, the '01 DC van seems to be reporting more troubles as we speak. Again is that expected? Yes, but not because it's a DC, but because it's the first year of a totally new design.
#350 of 7485 HELP ME FIND WHAT I WANT!
Jun 10, 2001 (10:48 am)
I need AWD - ranch property. BUT, I want a minivan that we can sleep in on the road AND I need enough power to pull a fishing boat. I like the way the gear shift is mounted on the steering column of the Grand Caravans/TownCountry, you can a towing package, you can have an engine heater, a roof rack, etc. I WISH these models had an option for a moon roof and a stowable back seat. I don't care what the company says - it is HARD work removing the back seat! SO, is there a minivan out there that has AWD, V6, tow package with a stowable back seat and moonroof? I would also like to have the minivan have a little more ground clearance! BUT, I don't want a 4x4 because of gas mileage! So, HELP!