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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#3251 of 7485 Re: You know.... [isellhondas]
May 27, 2005 (6:52 pm)
realize you' re a HUGE fan of Stow n Go but I really don't think the masses feel as strongly as you do. I rarely get cross shopped between Odysseys and DC vans. It's always Sienna.
I am a big fan of Stow-N-Go. Unlike many people, I think ahead of all the things I will do with my van. My brother has a 1997 Dodge GC that I drove and liked it a lot. I just hated it when he asked me for help taking the seats out to haul stuff in it. They were heavy even for two people. That was why I bought a truck instead of a van before.
When Stow-N-Go came out, it was instant love. Especially when I saw all the other stuff that came standard on the SXT. I stowed one seat the day after I bought the van and haven't put it up since. I have carried an air compressor and wagon in the van so far, by just having to slide them in the side door. With one seat stowed, the three grand kids I pick up after school, can run in the van with plenty of room to get into the back seats or the one not stowed and throw their back packs on the open floor.
Under the one seat not stowed, I have a big furniture pad, tools, flashlight, umbrella and battery cables stuffed in it, all out of sight. I could put this computer desk in the side door of my van just by stowing the other seat. It's amazing the versatility this van gives you.
On top of that I have an 8 way power seat, power windows, automatic power door locks, over head console, three way air conditioning that cools this van down fast, even in Phoenix's 110 heat we had the other day. Power sliding doors and power liftgate. Power, heated outside mirrors, aluminum wheels, fog lamps, power rear quarter vent windows, traction control, anti lock brakes, power locks, remote keyless entry with engine immoblizer, electric rear window defroster, universal garage door opener, am/fm radio with six beautiful speakers, with cd and cassette with steering wheel mounted controls. This thing has everything I could want in a van or car. Stow-N-Go, just made it irresistible. I'm ready for anything you can put in a van. And the storage space keeps everything in it's place and out of sight, always making my van look neat and clean. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Ford, General Motors's vans, etc. none of them can do all the things the Chrysler vans can do. If your only after a people hauler and never carry anything else in your van, anything else will do . If that is the case and you don't have 5-6 kids, why buy a van at all? A big car will hold as many people and you'll get better gas mileage with it. But not for me. I want it all and my Dodge GC gives it to me.
#3252 of 7485 Cross-shopping Honda/DCX
May 28, 2005 (4:26 am)
Well, I cross shopped the Honda Odyssey, Toyota Sienna, Ford Freestar, and Dodge Grand Caravan. Honda and Toyota make you pay way too much money to get basic convenience features like dual power doors and a power liftgate. The Dodge had all the features we needed for much less money. And you know what? The Stow 'N Go has proven to be the best feature we have ever seen in a vahicle. It is SOOOOOO convenient and I can;t see ever getting a minivan without it. We have been extremely satisfied with our experience with our Grand Caravan (Not one problem so far) and when my lease is up it will be hard for me to consider another brand if they don;t have a system similar to SNG.
The smooth ride of the DCG is great for us and our infant daughter. I thought the Odyssey rode a bit rough, similar to my '03 Accord. Say what you will about the DCX vans, we have been very satisfied with ours and we are Honda owners too.
If Honda was smart they would build all EX vans with a power liftgate and a telescoping steering wheel. The lack of a power lifegate really turned my wife against the Odyssey.
#3253 of 7485 Re: Cross-shopping Honda/DCX [1997montez34]
May 28, 2005 (5:30 am)
We have a 2004 Honda Civic and we love it. I think the Odyssey is a beautiful van inside and if all I wanted was a people mover, I might have bought one except for price.
But I have owned enough vehicles to know that things always come up where you need either a truck or van. If not, you either borrow one or you pay $30-$35.00 to have it delivered.
Unless one really thinks ahead of all the things you use a van for, you don't really understand the value and convenience of Stow-N-Go over all the other vans. It's one of the greatest ideas Chrysler has ever come up with. I think even used ones will fly off the market.
If it was just a people mover and price was of no concern, I would buy that one Odyssey with the navigation system in a minute. It is so much nicer than the Dodge/Chrysler. But I'll be darn if I'll pay over ten, to twelve thousand more for a van like that with leather, over what I have. I'll print my directions off the internet.
If I only went on inside looks, Honda or Toyota would be my first choices. But when I look at all the features the Dodge van offers for the price that Honda and Toyota can't touch, except for thousands more and even then, they still can't give me Stow-N-Go, it made my decision very easy.
#3255 of 7485 Re: 6 year old Ody worth a lot more than a Chrysler?.... [hansienna]
May 28, 2005 (8:19 am)
I'm not so sure there is that much, if any, of a price difference. I looked at the stickers at our recent car show and I thought in many cases, the domestics were every bit as much as an Odyssey when equipped the same.
#3256 of 7485 Re: 6 year old Ody worth a lot more than a Chrysler?.... [isellhondas]
May 28, 2005 (8:59 am)
But you can't get a power liftgate on the Ody for less than $35K sticker.
The DCX vans actual selling prices are much less I bet.
#3257 of 7485 If enough people complain...
May 28, 2005 (11:10 am)
I would expect Honda may very well add power liftgates on lesser models.
It's funny (to me) what some people consider to be a MAJOR plus like a power liftgate. People want everything these days.
#3258 of 7485 Most recent pricing comparison Ody EX vs GC SXT
May 28, 2005 (11:14 am)
2005 Ody EX MSRP $28,710.....Discounted Price $26,508
2005 GC SXT MSRP $27,625.....Discounted price $22,825*
*When financed thru Chrysler Financial. After a few months, the
loan can be paid in full with no penalty. Entire amount does not
have to be financed to get the $1,000 incentive..
The GC SXT would be Stone White Clearcoat with the nice gray interior vs
the Ody EX Ocean Mist Metallic that also has a nice gray interior. (Taffeta White in the Odyssey has a less desireable light tan interior).
Although, each van is very nice, the $3683 price advantage of the GC SXT makes it the BEST BUY for me.
Ody EX 2nd and 3rd row seats slightly more comfortable and I like the plus 1 seat of Ody but the GC SXT flexibility with complete overhead console containing outside temp/compass and trip computer are more important to me than the slightly more comfortable 2nd and 3rd row seats of the Odyssey.
#3259 of 7485 Looks fade after awhile
May 28, 2005 (1:08 pm)
Second and third row seats that you'll never sit in anyway.
I bet at $28,710, you can't get a power tailgate or overhead computer. Can you get a radio with six speakers, CD/Cassette with steering wheel controls at that price?
I have found over the years that after a few months the looks fade a bit and you begin to wish you had the extras you gave up for looks.
#3260 of 7485 Initial purchase price minus resale on each
May 28, 2005 (5:00 pm)
An Odyssey has higher resale value, but also costs more new.
Has anyone calculated real world purchase prices (not MSRP vs MSRP) after rebates etc. minus expected 3 year residual values?
Is the total depreciation of a comparably equipped Odyssey still less than a similar Chrysler minivan when you have paid near MSRP for the Honda vs invoice minus rebate for the DC van?
If so, it should be cheaper to lease an Odyssey for 3 years than a DC van unless DC has lease incentives to compensate.
So, which really ends up costing less to own or lease for 3 years?