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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#3242 of 7485 Re: marine2 [marine2]
May 27, 2005 (11:41 am)
As I mentioned before, Honda thought long and hard about putting stow n' go seats into the 2005 Odysseys. After all, they had thse in the 1995 Odysseys and certainly knew how to do this.
Instead of doing this , they made the decision to go with very comfortable seats instead. Naturally a decision like this won't please everyone.
I have sat in these twice and, like others find them to be less than comfortable. Maybe OK for a kid but I know I wouldn't want to take a long trip sitting in one of these. At our recent car show, they had tow DC vans with stow and go seats and both were broken and couldnt' even be demonstrated.
I will say, people literally beat the hell out of car show cars so this probably isn't a normal thing.
I guess if these don't just become "catch alls" filled with clutter they could be a major selling point. I would have no use for them but then, I probably wouldn't use the lazy susan in the Ody either.
#3243 of 7485 Re: marine2 [isellhondas]
May 27, 2005 (12:38 pm)
I've been a Town Hall member for a few years now and it's know surprise as to how those that own an Ody. or Sienna have to beat down Daimlerchrysler minivan's to make them feel good about their purchase. It seems that you have more Daimlerchrysler bashing in these forums then of any other make. I remember when Daimlerchrysler redesigned their van for 2001 and how people called the power rear liftgate a "gimmick". Now both the Ody. and Sienna have them and they are praised for it. As for the so called out dated Daimlerchrysler 3.8L V6 and 4 Sp. Trans. the only people I see complaining about them, are those that don't even own a Daimlerchrysler product. For all that new technology that the Ody. has, it is only a second faster from 0 to 60 and only gets 1 MPG more. (That's not a big difference.) As far as I can tell from these forums, most if not all Daimlerchrysler owners are getting the estimated MPG after their vans have been broken in. Can't say the same for the new 05 Ody. which is going on it's ninth month after being introduced to the public. Let's not forget about all of those other useful features, that the Ody. and Sienna barrowed from Daimlerchrysler, who created it first. I think the Ody. and Sienna are great minivans, but I just love my Daimlerchrysler minivan more.
#3244 of 7485 And...that's a good thing.
May 27, 2005 (12:55 pm)
People should buy and drive what they happen to like and not what someone else thinks they should.
#3245 of 7485 Re: marine2 [masterpaul1]
May 27, 2005 (2:54 pm)
the only people I see complaining about them, are those that don't even own a Daimlerchrysler product
That would be rather odd to own a product that you do not like. I personally think DC vans look bad inside and outside, drive badly and are less reliable and ergonomics in them is just terrible. I know that from renting DC vans on multiple occasions. That is why I have voted with my wallet for an Odyssey. And that is what I would recommend to do for anybody who asks.
But is not it obvious that it is a personal opinion?
#3246 of 7485 Re: marine2 [rorr]
May 27, 2005 (3:18 pm)
The thing is, no matter what they use them for, they can do the job better than any other minivan."
If "do the job better" means "meets minimum performance specifications for the least amount of money", then I would have to agree with you. The DC vans can probably meet the government's minimum performance specifications for the least amount of money.
That's not what I meant at all. I mean what ever job a minivan can do, the Dodge/Chrysler is ready to do it now. There is no going home to take out the middle seats because when you went over to see grandma and she gave you her antique dresser, you don't have room for it with the middle seats in.
It's having a couple of small kids and you having to go shopping for food and you need to take that heavy stroller and fold it up and slide it between the first and second row seats, or lift it up and put it all the way in back of the van. The Dodge/Chrysler can take it like it is, on all four wheels. You name the job and Dodge/Chrysler can do it now and do it easier.
When I first came on here and listened to some of the posters brag about how much better their Honda and Toyota was and how bad Chryslers were, I wondered what I had bought.
They talked about the great technology in new engines and transmissions. But I soon found out with all that new technology, it didn't go hardly any faster or get much better mileage than my old tech, 3.8, with the four speed tranny.
I soon discovered their stereos weren't nearly as good as Chrysler's The A/C was no better, the sliding side doors didn't operate as well. The Honda had a stiffer ride and was more noisy than the Dodge/Chrysler. More than a few have complained of the front seats in the Honda. Never heard any complaints of the front seats of the Dodge/Chrysler. Most of the Hondas didn't have the overhead console.
I had to wonder what made this such a great van. The side door even popped open in a government crash test.
After looking at one and test driving it, I came to the conclusion, it looks a lot nicer inside. Nice colors and sharp looking dials and buttons. But it's manly just a people hauler and that's all.
Chrysler not only decided to make their vans people haulers, but family and work friendly. Even to the point of turning the third row seat around for tail gate parties or watching outdoor movies.
When I hear someone brag a lot about their Japanese van and how superior it is to the Chrysler/Dodge. I have to say, for inside looks your right. That is all it's got over Chrysler vans. Chrysler vans can do so much more than haul people and they can do it now and they can do it easier and better.
May 27, 2005 (4:08 pm)
When it comes to dismal resale values. Chrysler vans excell at this!
Call for bids and nobody wants them unless they can grab it for thousands below book.
#3248 of 7485 Re: Especially [isellhondas]
May 27, 2005 (4:45 pm)
I think Stow-N-Go will cut that depreciation some. People like my brother wants one bad, but doesn't want to buy one new. But also the difference in buying the Dodge/Chrysler compared to what you have to pay for a Honda/Toyota also makes the depreciation less. I saved over $3,500 on mine.Besides, if your like me and keep your vehicles for 6-8 years, depreciation means little at that age.
When you look at the convenience that the new 2005's gives you to have a van that can do it all, it's well worth it.
May 27, 2005 (5:39 pm)
I realize you' re a HUGE fan of Stow n Go but I really don't think the masses feel as strongly as you do. I rarely get cross shopped between Odysseys and DC vans. It's always Sienna.
I would guess Honda Corporate people read these forums....I don't know. They also keep a close eye on the market. I'm sure they could quickly convert to these seats if they really wanted to, and who knows? they could do that.
I seriously doubt if it would increase sales to any great degree especially if seat comfort suffered as a result.
And, yeah, the longer you keep a vehicle the less depreciation is a factor. Still a six year old Odyssey is worth a LOT more than a Chrysler.
It does sound like you made the right choice...for YOU!
#3250 of 7485 Re: 6 year old Ody worth a lot more than a Chrysler?.... [isellhondas]
May 27, 2005 (6:35 pm)
Yes...BUT not as much as the price difference was when they were both purchased new.
#3251 of 7485 Re: You know.... [isellhondas]
May 27, 2005 (6:52 pm)
realize you' re a HUGE fan of Stow n Go but I really don't think the masses feel as strongly as you do. I rarely get cross shopped between Odysseys and DC vans. It's always Sienna.
I am a big fan of Stow-N-Go. Unlike many people, I think ahead of all the things I will do with my van. My brother has a 1997 Dodge GC that I drove and liked it a lot. I just hated it when he asked me for help taking the seats out to haul stuff in it. They were heavy even for two people. That was why I bought a truck instead of a van before.
When Stow-N-Go came out, it was instant love. Especially when I saw all the other stuff that came standard on the SXT. I stowed one seat the day after I bought the van and haven't put it up since. I have carried an air compressor and wagon in the van so far, by just having to slide them in the side door. With one seat stowed, the three grand kids I pick up after school, can run in the van with plenty of room to get into the back seats or the one not stowed and throw their back packs on the open floor.
Under the one seat not stowed, I have a big furniture pad, tools, flashlight, umbrella and battery cables stuffed in it, all out of sight. I could put this computer desk in the side door of my van just by stowing the other seat. It's amazing the versatility this van gives you.
On top of that I have an 8 way power seat, power windows, automatic power door locks, over head console, three way air conditioning that cools this van down fast, even in Phoenix's 110 heat we had the other day. Power sliding doors and power liftgate. Power, heated outside mirrors, aluminum wheels, fog lamps, power rear quarter vent windows, traction control, anti lock brakes, power locks, remote keyless entry with engine immoblizer, electric rear window defroster, universal garage door opener, am/fm radio with six beautiful speakers, with cd and cassette with steering wheel mounted controls. This thing has everything I could want in a van or car. Stow-N-Go, just made it irresistible. I'm ready for anything you can put in a van. And the storage space keeps everything in it's place and out of sight, always making my van look neat and clean. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Ford, General Motors's vans, etc. none of them can do all the things the Chrysler vans can do. If your only after a people hauler and never carry anything else in your van, anything else will do . If that is the case and you don't have 5-6 kids, why buy a van at all? A big car will hold as many people and you'll get better gas mileage with it. But not for me. I want it all and my Dodge GC gives it to me.