Last post on Mar 23, 2008 at 7:43 AM
You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#2812 of 7485 Re: Why did Chrysler T&C outsell every brand but Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan? [macakava]
Jan 07, 2005 (12:57 pm)
Macakava, that is too simple.
DaimlerChrysler has two plants dedicated exclusively to minivan production and can simply build more than twice as many as either Toyota or Honda.
Sure DC would like to sell them all at MSRP, however to keep the factories humming requires incentives. So what? That is good for the consumer, even those consumers who buy Siennas and Odysseys, as this creates pricing pressure upon them as well, with everyone fighting for market share.
Dedicate two each of Honda or Toyota plants to flat out production of minivans only and you would see them with incentives out the wazoo as well, "superior" product or not.
Honda and Toyota do not "play that game" only because they have been production capacity limited on minivans.
Note, I understand that in Calendar year 2004 Honda was discounting their 2004 models pretty heavily as the 2005 model year came into stock as well. Maybe not with factory to customer rebates but with dealer incentives, which are less easily sniffed out by the customer, but are a form of rebate nonetheless as long as the dealer is willing to pass his savings on to the customer.
That kind of "game" on Honda's part is the same, only sneakier, as the rebate goes only to the dealer who can elect to keep it as profit or discount the vehicle, whichever suits him best.
Jan 07, 2005 (1:05 pm)
Yes the coasts buy imports more, but I would bet the heartland in general buys more on value, and quite the opposite from your statement, actually keep their vehicles longer as well, not having to feel they are "unsuccessful" if they drive a five or ten year old car.
There is a lot less emphasis on having a "status" car as well, so you will see a lot less Beemers, Mercedes, Lexi, etc. away from the coasts.
#2814 of 7485 Re: Why did Chrysler T&C outsell every brand but Dodge Caravan/Grand Carava
Jan 07, 2005 (1:42 pm)
Whether you want to say it's because Honda isn't try to go for large sales like Chrysler, or can't, either explanation works out to be about the same.
Honda does run nearly 2 1/2 times the profit margin as DaimlerChrysler.
#2815 of 7485 Re: Why did Chrysler T&C outsell every brand but Dodge Caravan/Grand Carava [ypresia]
Jan 07, 2005 (2:01 pm)
Well if they can continue with those profit margins more power to them, but I am not going to subsidize overpriced merchandise just to have a Honda "H" on my minibox. Based on sales volumes, a huge majority of other customers are very happy to do the same.
#2816 of 7485 Re: Why did Chrysler T&C outsell every brand but Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan? [mrblonde49]
Jan 07, 2005 (3:35 pm)
I think the question may have been answered.
Rental car companies buy Chrysler minivans en masse. It's possible some huge year end orders were placed?
Jan 07, 2005 (3:38 pm)
Honda COULD have sold MANY more Odysseys if they only had them to sell! The lots were clogged with chryslers and they were readilly available at fire sale prices.
#2818 of 7485 Re: Another reason... [isellhondas]
Jan 07, 2005 (4:32 pm)
When you have overcapacity and excess inventory of products that afe of less demand, you have to sell at a lower margin or loss to reduce the inventory. The other option is to incur interest cost to carry inventory which ages and becomes less valuable. The better choice of huge discounts to reduce inventory is obvious!
Just.... Business 101
#2819 of 7485 Re: Why did Chrysler T&C outsell every brand but Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan? [denver5357]
Jan 07, 2005 (4:56 pm)
For many folks like me, we are prepared to pay more for a product that has superior performance and is more trouble-free relative to the competition. The aggravation and wasted time of frequent visits to the dealer for many warranty work repairs with a less reliable vehicle, and the higher residual value of the more reliable vehicle exceeds the initial extra cost.
When I bought my Ody, there were Windstars with $10K rebates and Chryslers with a bit smaller rebates. I am very glad that I got my Ody Ex at Invoice which cost more than the competition. I have not experienced any warranty problems and its "sporty handling" performance has been a pure driving enjoyment. I have driven 30+ minivan rentals (some T & C, most DGC) on business trips in the past 18 months - their driving/handling performance are not "sporty" to make driving enjoyable. I was always happy to get back to my Ody.
As far as being patriotic American is concerned, that is no longer an issue as the Ody and others(Sienna, Quest) are made right here in good ole USA with American labor and 75+% sourced american made parts.
#2820 of 7485 That doesn't matter...
Jan 07, 2005 (5:30 pm)
That is a MAJOR issue for a lot of people in certain parts of this country!
Jan 07, 2005 (6:04 pm)
This is my first mini van. I drove my brother's DC a couple of years ago and loved the car like handling and quiet interior. Hated taking out the rear and middle seats though, as they were so heavy. When Dodge came out with stow and go seats this year, I jumped on buying it. It is even quieter than my brothers and the room you have to store things in the stow binds is just great. No cluttering up the seats or floor with things like tools, battery cables,umbrellas, blanket, deflated air bed,etc. With the seats up, everything can be neatly put out of sight.
I also find by stowing one of the middle seats when not needed, it is so fast to get the grand kids in and out of the van and seated. Especially helpful when it is raining.
I have read a few messages that said they didn't like the stow and go seats. That's the main reason I bought my mini van. I love the idea of folding them flat into the floor when I need to carry stuff and not taking them out. I love the storage space it gives you when seats are in place. I hate having things setting in the floor or seats. It just keeps the van so neat. I even bought a little three way power B/W/ television, I think will fit in the storage bins. For a little entertainment on some long trips I'm going to take this year. Love this van.