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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#2683 of 7485 Re:How did I do?
May 16, 2004 (7:34 am)
Andy, it depends on what you want, what your needs are, and what you expect.
If you find Consumer Reports data "reliable," you will note that the Toyota rating is above the Town & Country. Keep in mind, however, that a used 2002 Sienna with 38,00 miles will always be at a older use point compared to any vehicle bought new. Now Toyota makes a very good van, but despite the religious-like tendency by many to treat anything Toyota as a deity, Toyota machinery does wear and they do break even if it's less than somebody else's machinery.
The Sienna will retain it's true value better than the Town & Country. If you are a short term buyer and will put less than 6-7000 miles a year, the used Sienna will be an advantage for you. Because of Chrysler's 7 year 70,000 mile warranty, moderate term ownership will benefit the Town & Country. If you are very long term (10+ years), it doesn't matter.
A lot depends on what your needs and likes are. The Town & Country is very popular or a reason. They are smooth, quiet, comfortable, and nice long distance travellers. But that's a subjective opinion, too. The Sienna is an excellent driver and is bells and whistles ladened. The cost-of-ownership numbers have dropped quite a bit since 1999. My company has a fleet of them and the newer they are the better constructed. Most Chrysler mini-van problems are due to assembly, so your more likely to have an issue in the first year compared to a new Toyota.
I hope I've helped.
#2684 of 7485 Re:How did I do? [dustyk #2683]
May 17, 2004 (2:56 am)
THanks Dusty. Most of that I have considered, but you have helped to put things in perspective. I am 6'4 and my son is even bigger than I am, and we tend to drive our cars until the wheels fall off, so I think I will be going with the T&C.
You write well too...I appreciate that
May 17, 2004 (8:33 am)
I second Dusty's opinion. If I were in your shoes I'd pick the T&C too without second thoughts, solely because I keep my cars for 10+ years. The 2002 Sienna is a bit on the small side.
Good Luck with your T&C.
May 18, 2004 (10:21 am)
The T&C is definitiely the way to go. Regardless of expected reliability of the Sienna, it is 38,000 miles closer to needing brakes, tires, suspension, exhaust, and battery replacement - all of the wear and tear items. The T&C will have virtually no repair costs for the next few years and if it doesn't seem like it is going to be reliable - you can always abandon ship while it is still under warranty which makes it an easier resale.
#2688 of 7485 '02 Odyssey v. '04 Chrysler Town & Country
May 19, 2004 (3:24 pm)
We own an '02 Ody EX (w/o leather) and have driven it 55k miles over 24 months (spouse is primary driver and I get to drive it only infrequently). Over the last week, I've driven a rental low-end '04 Chrysler T&C about 800 miles.
Wow, what a difference between the vehicles with the ODY a much nicer van to drive than the T&C IMHO.
The T&C standard 3.3L engine with 4 speed auto is disappointing (poor acceleration coupled with unimpressive fuel economy) . Clearly a "dog" and deficient compared to the standard 3.5L / 5 speed auto of the Ody. The T&C, with the 3.3, has a hard time getting itself going. The Ody, if desired, will pass most other vehicles in the mountains of Colorado while getting mileage in the mid 20's.
The T&C drivers seat is quite uncomfortable compared to the Ody (also my opinion only).
#2689 of 7485 Re: '02 Odyssey v. '04 Chrysler Town & Country [firemann1 #2688]
May 19, 2004 (5:52 pm)
I agree with firemann, but the comparison isnt quite apt as my 2004 T&C is the Touring model with the 3.8 engine. Passing is fine, even loaded with 4 people and the tools and stuff I always carry. I was impressed, in fact with the zip. And the features are sufficient for me. I do wish the street economy was better, but I think on the highway I should get 21-22 or so.I dont know yet as I havent taken a longish trip with it.
The Odyssey is a good van and a used one was definitely in the running but as I think I said before my son couldnt fit in it. I find the seats in the Touring model about the same in terms of comfort as the 02 Odyssey I test drove
So again, for my wants and needs, the T&C worked out fine.
May 19, 2004 (5:57 pm)
FYI, here is the post I put on the "Prices Paid" board.
This is andy1. Here is the deal I got for my 2004 T&C touring. It was $31815 list,new with warranty. The dealer wanted to move them off the lot so they offered 23486, final price 23000. No trade in, no rebate. I put 4000 down. It looks like when people say "out the door" they mean the price with whatever down payment they paid, so if you figure that in the price was $19000. Financing with Chrylser at 4%. In my case, timing was everything, as just the Friday before (this was a Monday) the offer was 24315.
I think I got a great deal. I dont want or need fold in the floor seats so I dont miss that feature of the 2005s. I agree with most of the reviews about the lack of some fairly standard features, but again, most of them I dont really need. My kids are grown so this is my car - I am 51 and this is not for my wife or my kids, but for me. For my wants and needs it is almost perfect.
I looked at mid-size SUVs, other minivans, and crossovers such as the Malibu Maxx, and the T&C fit me the best. I would have liked the 2005 Sienna, but the outright deceptive pricing from Toyota quickly drives that way out of reach in terms of price. To get even basic features you are quickly looking at $26000, and the $23000 I paid for the T&C stretches my budget as it is. I also had a good offer for a used Odyssey, but my son, who is bigger than I am (I am 6'4") could not fit in the front passenger seat due to the depth of the glove compartment. So the deal I got on a new T&C worked out well for me.
After the first 500 miles, I think I love this car. I just hope the reliability reports are wrong in my case! Its black with black and grey interior so the "soccer Mom" thing is alleviated quite a bit. As my wife said, "You want something that you can haul your stuff, your family, and your dog...all at the same time." With this car, I think I have it.
And thanks again to coachtd and dusty.
#2691 of 7485 firemann1: Comparison between 01 Ody EX and 02 GC Sport
May 23, 2004 (4:40 pm)
The 01 Ody EX driver seat is more comfortable for me than the 02 GC Sport. The passenger seat of the 01 Ody EX is LESS comfortable than the 02 GC Sport as knees hit glove box on Ody.
The Ody EX 3.5L has slightly better performance than the 3.3L GC Sport but the GC Sport delivers better fuel economy. I like the power sliding doors of the Ody EX and the "Magic Seat" but the Ody EX lacks the GC Sport overhead console with compass/outside temperature and trip computer AND the separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger.
Each van has advantages. Which advantages are the most important?
#2692 of 7485 Re: firemann1: Comparison between 01 Ody EX and 02 GC Sport [hansienna #2691]
May 25, 2004 (6:59 pm)
I would have liked the Odyssey because of its repuations but my son just would not fit because of the glove box problem you described. I dont like leather seats so the cloth seats are better for me. Oddly enough because I never saw it on any of the reviews, the T&C has a plastic retaining loop to hold the seat belt against the door. This is right at the exact height that it jabs into my wife's shoulder. I guess I will have to cut it off, much as I hate to be cutting into my brand new car! I asked the dealer and they said it would not be a safety issue if I did.
The other major drawback is that the middle seats dont slide so my family is still negotiating as to who gets what seat and how to adjust them. I took out the back seats right away and havent experimented with them as yet. The rear and passenger adjustable AC/Heat is a feature I appreciate much more than I thought I would. And yes the overhead compass/odometer/mileage indicator/thermometer is fun.
I do wish the T&C had better dash lighting at night, and the mileage could be better, although with careful driving I'm up to 19 mph city.
THe ride and handling though is great so that's good. This is the first car I have had in a long time that I actually look forward to driving.