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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#2674 of 7485 bluetrainstop - 2003 Caravan SXT vs 2004 Ody
Mar 17, 2004 (7:55 pm)
If you are in the market for a short wheel base minivan, I would take a hard look at the Mazda MPV, which gets rave reviews, handles exceptional well, and is considerably less than the Honda - many ads for under $20,000 in Chicago area papers recently and will hold value very well. If you have occupants of any size in the 3rd row, they will be much happier in the Honda/Toyota/Nissan versions than the short wheel base Caravan, the MPV, or even the Ford Freestar. If this is the long wheel base Grand Caravan you are referring to, it seems like a decent deal.
With just 7100 miles on it, you have to wonder why someone parted with it? Was it in an accident? Did you get a CARFAX on it? 2004 Grand Caravan SXT can be had for $20,500 or less, but they are going fast.
If 2003 Caravan SXT is accident free I have to agree that the nine grand in the pocket seems like the way to go. I had the ultimate van lemon - a 1995 Ford Windstar and even with very poor reliability managed just $5000 in non-routine maintenance over 125,000 miles, but repair costs are very low in rural wisconsin and transmissions (Dodge's biggest issue) tend to be expensive.
The $24,000 price tag seems too high for the 2004 Odyssey. I assume you are looking at an LX. Invoice is $22032 + $540 destination. Many posts in the Honda Odyssey prices paid are showing invoice or less for shrewd negotiators. $23,000 is the maximum you should pay. Thus, I think $1000 comes off the Ody price.
Last thought - Honda doesn't have the side curtain protection yet, but do score better in safety versus DC, which I think scored average in crash tests.
Either is probably not a bad buy - go with your heart and never look back.
Mar 19, 2004 (6:25 am)
Thanks for advice. The 2003 Caravan is certified by Dodge and my husband checked it out and got the CARFAX report and all seems to be okay. Still we both lost our guts to buy it and told the man NO yesterday. Can't get by the fact someone would sell a van after only 7100 miles. Anyway, we are hoping for a great deal on 2004 Caravan STX, got a price of 18,590 plus tax and tags. We're hoping to "steal" one out the door for 20,000 with all fees included. Time will tell.
We did check out the MPV, my husband thought the ride was rough, stiff and too narrow inside and did not want it.
We got two prices on the Honda Odyssey one was 24,600 out the door with all taxes and fees included. The other was 22,799 plus taxes and motor vehicle expenses. The atmosphere in the Honda dealerships were not one of desperation to sell the 2004 before the new re-models come out. They do not budge much, then again they don't have too. Quality Product, at a price too high for us. We realized we were selling stock, bonds just to get the Honda, and it you have to do that you simply cannot afford it. We will buy a Dodge 2004, hopefully for a great price.
Thanks to all for your inputs and advice.
Apr 24, 2004 (4:10 am)
BUY THE HONDA
unless you like misery please buy the honda. I am on my second grand caravan (did not learn from first mistake) transmission last 60000 miles, ac evaporator leaks every 39000 miles, transmission leaks repair twice, oil leaks, replaced brakes on front every 30000 miles, replace axles and cv joints due to vibration at 50000, car eats tires no one can say why, my cassette player broke under warranty and is now broken again, belt makes noise and has to be replaced every year. I spent over 1500.00 dollars so far this year and my ac evaporator is leaking again. $1050 to repair, guess it is going to be a long hot summer. Trade in value is only 4000.00 so I cannot afford to get something else. I will never buy American again
#2678 of 7485 Re: [electricfrank #2677]
Apr 24, 2004 (5:54 am)
You don't say what year your car is, but the newer DC minivans are much less troublesome. I know of 3 other people personally with 2002 or later vans that have reported no problems. As in ZERO. I just bought an 04 T&C 2 months ago and it's been perfect.
And what's the prblem w/ changing brake pads at 30K miles? Seems about right...
#2679 of 7485 What Kind Of DVD Is In Your Minivan
May 04, 2004 (11:15 am)
Wasn't sure were to post about this, but we are looking in the future to purchase a DVD Entertainment Package for our 2001 GC. I have seen after market units at Best Buy and Circuit City which cost a couple hundred dollars less than the dealer. I am concerned as to the look and convince of where the DVD unit will be stored and the quality of work and equipment used. I have seen the Dealer installed unit in the 2004 to where as the DVD unit is in the dash board and the flip down video screen is in place of the over head light and rear heat/ac controls in the second row. I would appreciate comments of those that have dealer or after market installed DVD Video Units. How do you like it? What are some features that are on one opposed to the other? How much did you pay with labor? Do you still have the rear ac/heat controls and overhead light in second row? Where is the DVD unit located? Any problems?
May 06, 2004 (12:58 pm)
Only Sony have a bezel that custom made for DC's van to have opening to fit the A/C control and Sony's display. I got the bezel from Crutchfield.com for about $100. As for the DVD players, there are a few options:
1. The easiest and cheapest - buy two portable DVD players with 6 - 7" display. That will run you about $600 ($300 each).
2. If you don't need to see the movie in front. Sony has a package that includes a dvd player and a 7" overhead LCD display. You can place the DVD player basically anywhere you want. About $800 plus the cost of the bezel.
3. I have a Pioneer AVH-P7480 headunit with built-in 7" screen hooked up with a Sony XVM-R75 7" LCD using the bezel I mentioned above. I can watch the movie/ music video both front (through the headunit) and in back (Sony LCD) while the car is moving. If you don't have the Infinity system in your DC Van, you can install the system yourself in about 2 - 3 hours. If you have the Infinity system, I recommend you have the pros do the installation for you because you will need to bypass the Infinity's amp for each speakers. My system also included a Navigation system (installed in CD changer location) and everything I mentioned above cost me $2500 (not including labor) a year ago. You can probably get a better system (Pioneer AVIC-N1 DVD and Navigation in one unit) and the same Sony LCD for much lower price now.
Hope this help. By the way, I have a 2001 Chrysler T&C Ltd.
#2681 of 7485 How did I do?
May 15, 2004 (9:18 pm)
After a lot of haranguing around, I have two firm offers. It has come down to a 2004 (New) Chrysler T%C Touring and a 2002 Toyota Sienna XLE with 38000 miles. The Sienna is offered at $21350, warrsnty $800. The T&C is $23000 flat, and new car warranty.
Which is the better choice?
#2683 of 7485 Re:How did I do?
May 16, 2004 (7:34 am)
Andy, it depends on what you want, what your needs are, and what you expect.
If you find Consumer Reports data "reliable," you will note that the Toyota rating is above the Town & Country. Keep in mind, however, that a used 2002 Sienna with 38,00 miles will always be at a older use point compared to any vehicle bought new. Now Toyota makes a very good van, but despite the religious-like tendency by many to treat anything Toyota as a deity, Toyota machinery does wear and they do break even if it's less than somebody else's machinery.
The Sienna will retain it's true value better than the Town & Country. If you are a short term buyer and will put less than 6-7000 miles a year, the used Sienna will be an advantage for you. Because of Chrysler's 7 year 70,000 mile warranty, moderate term ownership will benefit the Town & Country. If you are very long term (10+ years), it doesn't matter.
A lot depends on what your needs and likes are. The Town & Country is very popular or a reason. They are smooth, quiet, comfortable, and nice long distance travellers. But that's a subjective opinion, too. The Sienna is an excellent driver and is bells and whistles ladened. The cost-of-ownership numbers have dropped quite a bit since 1999. My company has a fleet of them and the newer they are the better constructed. Most Chrysler mini-van problems are due to assembly, so your more likely to have an issue in the first year compared to a new Toyota.
I hope I've helped.