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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#2631 of 7485 2003 Chrysler T&C Lx
Nov 21, 2003 (6:18 pm)
Hello all, our '96 Plymouth Grand Voyager was recently stolen so it put us in the market for another minivan. I hate buying new and taking the $ hit so we went shopping for a used van. Thank God we only shop for a used van every five years...the process SUCKS - even with the internet.
Anyway we found a 2003 Chrysler T&C with 1200 miles on it. They swapped out the middle bucket seat for two captain chairs (our kids are getting to the age where they are ahhhh...driving each other nuts) and installed a roof rack. All the rest is fairly basic: am/fm cassette, power windows, power locks, etc. That's all we had in our last van and it's all we needed in this one. Cost on this thing was $18,000. $18,000!?!?!?!? We paid $16,500 in 1999 for a '96 with 30,000 miles on it. And today we get a (virtually) new one with a 7/70 warranty for $18,000. Amazing. I'm very pleased. I briefly considered buying a Honda (our neighbors have one, their kids are constantly destroying something on it and it costs them an arm and a leg to have the mechanic fly to Japan to buy the new part and then fly back to install it) or a Sienna but even the two year old used ones were going for $20k+. New will run you $25k+. A whole lotta things can go wrong on ours for that $7,000 spread. Our Plymouth held up very well over 115,000 miles, and it was the "bad" year of 1996. Ironically my 2000 Ford Taurus has 107,000 and it too is performing wonderfully. Previous to that my Pontiac Grand Prix went to 100,000 before I traded it and it ran like a top. I think U.S. quality is vastly improved and the foreign makers are holding on for dear life to their high margins. It's more of a status issue than anything.
The company I work for is the largest buyer of vehicles from one of the country's largest fleet management firms. Their reps constantly tell me that they love selling Toyotas because there's more markup in them (thus more commission) but...every single one of the reps drives an American car. When I ask why they say "are you NUTS, I'd never pay a 20% premium to drive a foreign car!!!". I think that says it all folks.
#2632 of 7485 2001 Town and Country
Nov 26, 2003 (5:57 pm)
Have to post this given that my Town and Countries transmission died at 83,000 miles 2 weeks ago . AC compressor and driver side window motor at 77,000 miles . Paid 2500 bucks to have the trans and window motor repaced just so I could trade the thing in. A/C system would've been another $1200 . It's also nice to know that Chryslers hold very little of their value . Went with the Honda this time . I think they are ugly but at this point I'm just hoping the vehicle will at least last until it's paid for . Or at least no major failures like the Chrysler . I personally will NEVER buy another Chrysler product . It's a shame as they are by far the best looking mini van on the market but probably have the worst reliability . I hear I'm lucky I went 77,000 with no major problems . Pathetic . You know it's bad when the tow truck pulls into the mechanics shop and he's pricing transmissions before even putting on the rack . I told him he was crazy , that there is no way the trans could be shot at 80,000 . He asked me if I really wanted to know how many he's done on these vehicles . Turned out he was right . I hope I have more luck this time .
Nov 26, 2003 (7:53 pm)
Has anyone seen Comsumer Reports recent article on minivans. The Odyssey is simply the quickest/fastest minivan available. Its 0-60 time of 8.4 sec was easily the quickest. It was much faster than the Grand Caraven, with even the 3.8 liter engine (not the 3.3), which only managed a 9.7 sec 0-60 time. Other publcations, such as Motor Trend, have produced similar numbers (8.4 for the Ody, 9.4 for the 3.8 liter DC van). I have seen people in various boards imply that their 3.8 liter Chrysler vans are as quick or quicker than Odysseys, and they simply are not.
Dec 01, 2003 (2:34 pm)
Are you looking for a sports car or a minivan? 1.3 sec is not much in the world of minivan. I bet you will have different 0-60 every time if you try to do the test on your own.
#2636 of 7485 Prospective Owner Question
Dec 01, 2003 (7:01 pm)
Beginning to look at minivan as my lease on our wagon ends in March.
We're a family of 4 - wagon is just a tad too small, so I am looking at the smaller minivans - which offer more space - and extra people capacity. I prefer not to get the larger vans - $ is not issue - just don;t need the extra foot of room!
As I read the various boards - it seems that EVERY minivan - Mazda, DCX, Honda have transmission problems! I like the design considerations of the DCX vans (caravan and voyager)but have heard of transmission problems - but I also understand that a new 7-70 warranty is in effect. What does it really cover? I know its engine and transmission - but is it only certain parts? Parts that are least likely to cause problems?
Also, anyone do any occassional towing with the smaller DCX vans? I own a sailboat - weighs 3000 lbs - would tow 2x per year.
Rick in Connecticut.
#2637 of 7485 strokaluck
Dec 02, 2003 (10:28 am)
I briefly considered buying a Honda (our neighbors have one, their kids are constantly destroying something on it and it costs them an arm and a leg to have the mechanic fly to Japan to buy the new part and then fly back to install it.
The Odyssey was first built in Canada. It's now built in the U.S. I owned a 99 Odyssey. All the parts were readily available in the U.S with no flights to Japan. If a part were required from Japan it could be overnight expressed. BTW how many U.S workers are fluent enough in Japanese
to order Odyssey parts ?
The 3 rebuilt transmissions it took before they had one they could install to replace my bad one were rebuilt in such far away lands as Virginia, Illinois and California. The CA transmission was the good one. Honda paid for it. This was before they extended the warranty. BTW I traded in a 96 Dodge Grand Caravan on the Odyssey. The DC tranny went out at 72 K miles. The ODY went out at 68K miles.
Dec 02, 2003 (1:24 pm)
Have you considered the new Dodge Durango? The minivan might not have enough power for your towing need.
#2639 of 7485 Towing with DGC
Dec 02, 2003 (3:24 pm)
I owned a '96 DGC with the 3.3 V-6 equipped with the 3,500# tow package. I used it on multiple occasions (probably 20 to 25 times) to tow a boat/motor rig that ran about 3,300#. It did very well (better than I was expecting). I put ~110,000 miles on it before recently trading it. If it were me, I would go with the extra "foot" of room.
Dec 02, 2003 (4:38 pm)
To: "Pat84"; the 'flying to Japan' comment was a joke. I spent the last umpteen years selling to auto suppliers - both foreign and domestic - I realize they don't fly to Japan to get a part. I'm guessing that would be a bit inefficient and unprofitable. However I will say that the several times they had their radio repaired (just one of many items - not necessarily all Honda's fault) it cost them more to repair than any domestic vehicle I'm familiar with.
TO: "RickPCT"; 1) go for the extra 1' of space. It may not sound like much but...pack some people in there (surely you haul friends/family/neighbors/pets, etc.) and then try to get one or two things in the back of the "smaller" van - good luck. 2) I think you'll do just fine with the 3.3 engine.
TO: "drwilsc"; A quick minivan? Please don't tell me you also have a spoiler on your van. We had a '96 Plymouth Grand Voyager with a 3.3 and it was great. We now have a 2003 T&C with the 3.3 and it too is perfect. We take about six trips/year that average 20 hours/roundtrip (packed with two kids, plenty of baggage, etc., sometimes bags on the roof) and the vans have been PLENTY peppy. Granted we have to sometimes kick it into overdrive but the van performs wonderfully.