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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#1766 of 7485 Some thoughts (more ramblings than thoughts actually...),,,,
Aug 12, 2002 (5:29 pm)
In 1999, I was looking for a minivan, and ended up with a Grand Caravan Sport with the 3.8 liter motor. This was my first new car purchase ever, and the first non-Japanese vehicle to boot. I had wanted to get an Odyssey, but at that time they were hard to get.
Now I have close to 40k miles on the van. It has not been perfect (TSB repair on cruise control, high note horn replaced, EGR valve replaced) but has been a perfectly good family hauler.
It has been quiet (well after I adjusted the left side sliding door, and fixed a rattle from the steering wheel), comfortable (upto 1000 miles a day without a problem), economical (usually 20-24 mpg, best 29.4 mpg (not a typo, 29.4), worst 16 mpg) and above all reliable (never let me down so far, despite going upto 111 mph, and cruising at 80-90 mph all day long).
Frankly, I admit to having been a bit apprehensive about buying an "american" vehicle because of their perceived unreliability. And this was based partly on my long experience with Japanese makes (Suzuki, Diahatsu, Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda). I think that the Dodge GCS has been as good a vehicle as any japanese one that I have owned.
I am sure an Odyssey would have served me and my family equally well.
I do keep on top of maintenance myself. And I think this is a key factor when comparing vans, other than emotions and childish mine-is-better-than-yours arguments.
To each their own: some will find the magic seat a must-have feature, some will find the Odyssey noisy, or have a mediocre stereo, some will quote lots of friends stranded by transmission woes on Chrysler vans, and so on and on.
However, they are both good vehicles with their own characteristics and features. And in the long run, the owner and his attention to maintenance and driving habits will perhaps be the most important determinant of long-term performance of what is a relatively complex, but still only a machine.
Maybe the lady broken down in the Odyssey never changed the oil. Maybe sliding doors on both makes need not be slammed or they will malfunction or rattle. Maybe the 401TE transmission should have 10k oil changes with type 7176 fluid only.
A high-revving 240 hp OHC engine may be good for some, some may like an old-style OHV engine with more torque lower down in the rpm range. At the end of day, they both do 0-60 in 9-10 seconds, and it is perhaps more important not to spill any drinks than making it to the next red light first.
I could go on and on, but I think I have rambled enough to make my point. This forum, and other fora on Edmunds should be more informative rather than argumentative.
Maintenance tips, quirks and features of a particular make, tips to help out, statistics (like the ones above), and just plain good advice are my favourite messages. And if we can all have such a discourse in a pleasant and friendly manner, then it would be wonderful. Otherwise, it can become a bit tedious to sift through a lot of dirt to pan out the diamonds.
Aug 12, 2002 (5:35 pm)
And yes, several of my friends have Honda Odysseys, and several other have Dodges and Chyrsler T&Cs, and I have ridden and worked on several of both types of minivans.
#1769 of 7485 Chrysler Minivan Recall
Aug 12, 2002 (7:30 pm)
The recall concerning the faulty fuel line in the minivans with the 3.3 and 3.8 engines only effects some of the early 2000 models made before a certain date. I remember checking the date when the recall was first announced and our 2000 Town & Country which we purchased in September of 2000 is not included in the recall.
#1770 of 7485 Odyssey problems
Aug 13, 2002 (3:05 am)
I can't speak to the Daimler-Chrysler vans, but a friend of mine at work has required me to take him to the Honda dealership for quality problems 4 times now.
Cruise control, brakes, leaks, and engine check light so far in one year. He drives it hard, I suppose, but he is getting a little disillusioned with the "quality".
Also, the NAV system voice wont turn down independently. He has to turn his music down along with it. Kinda annoying if you want to listen to your tunes loud and not have the NAV voice screaming at you.
He regrets not getting a Buick Rendezvous after seeing Buick top Honda in the last J.D. powers quality poll, and the Buick would have been cheaper by a lot with the discounts.
Aug 13, 2002 (7:27 am)
Not all of us Honda owners are happy with their Odyssey. I'm sorry to say that the Odyssey is not up to typical Honda quality.
#1772 of 7485 well durn it!
Aug 13, 2002 (7:52 am)
I done never heard of a perfect car company, but dem boys over at da big H jus 'bout pegged makin most cars.
Seems tho dat dem boys at Mazder done stole the magic seat an da quality for der minivans. Maybe da Auburn Hillbillies can steal some a dat too.
#1773 of 7485 Dodge Grand Caravan Kicks Ass
Aug 13, 2002 (9:40 am)
I used to have a Toyota Sienna 1998 model, in a three year lease. HORRIBLE RELIABILITY!! The sliding doors had to replaced because it wouldn't close properly. The brake system had to be completly taken apart and replaced because parts were 'broken', since we just passed to mileage limit, it was NOT covered by warranty.
I ended up paying 3k US to get out of the lease and headed to Honda (this was around sept 2000, after most of the hype of the oddessy was gone). The dealer was only willing to sell at MSRP 33k CDN for a base model, around 22k US (Canadian cars are usually cheaper), and not negotiate any discounts or offer incentives.
Because I was cash-strapped, I went over to the DC dealer. for under 30k CDN (20K US), i got a loaded SE Sport DGC, with everything the top of the line ES had, except awd, leather, and 17' wheels (the 16s were fine, and still large in this class) and got a 1.9% lease.
For less than the cost of the sienna or odesssy, i got an almost fully loaded DGC. To this date, I have not had any serious issues with the DGC except for a minor sqeek or rattle, but the good looks of the DGC and its significant cost advantage makes it acceptable.
Aug 13, 2002 (9:52 am)
I don't need no stinkin' friends to drive me in for service. I don't need no stinkin' Nav system either. My ODY like new with over 62, 0000 miles. All ever replaced are tires and front brake pads Once each. I gothchur Auburn hillbillies rat cheer.
#1775 of 7485 carluver3742
Aug 13, 2002 (10:24 am)
Glad to hear you are enjoying your 2000 DGC Sport. What color is your van? Those 17 inch chrome rims on the new 2002 GC ES sure do look nice, but are very rare, and expensive!