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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#1685 of 7485 2003 Turbo PT
Aug 05, 2002 (11:04 pm)
From what I've read, Chrysler has really tried to refine the powertrain of the new 2003 Turbo Cruiser. They've done alot of work and modifications to the existing powertrain to ensure it works well with the new turbo, which is not supposed to have the lag commonly associated with turbo chargers. All I can say is with 215 horses and 245lbs of torque I can't wait to drive a 2003 Turbo PT and compare it to my dads 2001 PT Cruiser Limited (which he loves to death).
2000 Town & Country now has 47.5k miles and no problems.
#1686 of 7485 agree chryslervan: Odyssey very reliable
Aug 06, 2002 (6:10 am)
No problem 2001 Odyssey 17,000 miles. See many Odyssey on highway (maybe not many as Caravan). Toyota smart if new Sienna copy Odyssey: Odyssey most power, most space passenger, most space luggage when Magic Seat seat 3 people, most space behind 2nd row when Magic Seat fold into floor, burn very little gas.
Chrysler not smart no Magic Seat new 2001 design.
#1687 of 7485 DC 3.8L V8 has 215 HP / 245 Ft Lbs Torque
Aug 06, 2002 (6:48 am)
Adam: Amazing that the turbo of the little 2.4L 4 cylinder of PT Cruiser will have the same horsepower and torque of the very nice DC 3.8L V6. With that nice power, the PT cruiser should be a rather hot performer with considerably less weight to get moving than a luxury DC minivan.
I am waiting to read your comparison of the PT Turbo with the 2001 PT Cruiser of your dad. (Do you think your dad will let YOU drive the new PT Turbo before he does?)
#1689 of 7485 Ody Not good seller
Aug 06, 2002 (12:07 pm)
Not many Odyssey Sold. Only the same 5 that travel the same route over and over again. And all of them were beige.
Aug 06, 2002 (12:48 pm)
This hidden/fold flat seat has been in station wagons for over forty years, without compromises.
The problem with the Honda is that they made many compromises to make theirs work.
Compromise 1 No full size spare tire and no place to keep a flat tire.
Compromise 2 Flatter gas tank which is noisier and gives a low tank warning at 7 gallons (150 miles).
Compromise 3 Allows more noise into the cabin.
Compromise 4 Does not split to allow five passenger seating.
Since Honda came out with their first generation minivan in '96 - Toyota, GM, Ford, Kia, Nissan, DC and Mazda have introduced new vans. Only Mazda has copied the "Magic Seat" with some other improvements.
Did I like the "Magic Seat" available in Grampa's 1970 Olds or Aunt's 1980 Volvo or even in the 2000 Tarus - sure.
But when it comes to mini vans - it creates some compromises. If your van is a cargo hauler - magic seats are better. If your van is a people hauler - it may not be worth the compromises.
Just ask GM, Ford, Toyota and DC - the world's four largest car companies (in that order)
Maybe Toyota will fix the shortcommings and introduce a true "Magic Seat" next year or Honda will address them with the 2004 redesign.
#1691 of 7485 Station Wagon Seats
Aug 06, 2002 (2:08 pm)
You make a good point about station wagons using hide-away seats. However, I wouldn't say that they were without compromise. Many of the the hide-away seats in station wagons have been rear or side facing. These are usually not as comfortable or safe. It would be nice to see somebody put in a split magic seat.
By the way, next time you post remember to use broken English and massive overstatements so that you can fit in.
#1692 of 7485 Disagree with comments about Magic Seat
Aug 06, 2002 (2:24 pm)
As a repeat buyer of DC minivans, I feel the Magic Seat is preferable to either the one piece sliding 3rd row seat or 50/50 split fold-and-tumble seats of DC minivans...and we have had experience with all 3.
Let us look at the compromises:
#1. No full size spare...Neither our 99 GC SE nor 02 T&C eL have a full size spare.
#2. Noisier, flat gasoline tank...I have not heard any noise in my brother-in-laws 2001 Ody EX that I drive frequently...and will drive again next week. Can not comment on low tank warning.
#3. I have never heard noise from the rear of the 2001 Ody EX I drive frequently.
#4. The Odyssey holds MUCH more cargo behind Magic Seat than does our T&C or did our GC. We have used the fold-and-tumble feature a few times and I prefer the DC one piece 3rd seat that will slide forward and fold flat. The Magic Seat would have been better than either.
When my wife and I travel alone, we take out the left Quad and left half of rear 50/50 and place a nice foam pad there for brief naps enroute. With the Odyssey, all we would need to do is remove the left middle Captain seat and fold the Magic Seat down for the same benefit.
As a repeat DC minivan owner, I would prefer the Magic Seat and the more comfortable seats of the Odyssey to either DC minivan. However, we did enjoy the nice extra features our GC SE had that are NOT on my brother-in-laws nice 2001 Odyssey EX so we got a new 2002 T&C eL rather than wait for a NEW 2002 Havasu Blue Odyssey to arrive.
Each van has nice advantages and we would like to have all the advantages of the Odyssey and DC minivans.
#1693 of 7485 magic seat is no magic
Aug 06, 2002 (3:15 pm)
It increases the noise level in this vehicle IMO; could not believe the road noise when I drove the 02. Also, DC 50/50 rear seat is more comfortable for an adult; I would not want to sit in the magic seat but can get comfortable in the DC van. As far as a full size spare, it's not necessary unless you live in unpopulated area where service stations are few or run your tires bald. I can drive up to 50 mph on my compact spare but never have.
Aug 06, 2002 (6:13 pm)
With the Odyssey, all we would need to do is remove the left middle Captain seat and fold the Magic Seat down for the same benefit.
Or you could take the passenger headrest off, recline the seat until is flat against the second row seat and have a very long chase lounge which you can't do in a DC van. To me thats a better use than a padded armrest.