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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#1387 of 7485 97 Odyssey
Jun 14, 2002 (9:59 am)
The 1997 Honda Odyssey wasn't necessarily a bad vehicle from the standpoint of quality and reliability - just unpopular. It was built on an Accord platform (hardly an unreliable vehicle)and as such, didn't have the room of some of it's competitors. It also lacked sliding rear doors (one of the main features of a minivan..duhhh).
Adam, I'm glad you admit the earlier DC's were not put together too well. Time will tell with the new ones though. I think it's a little early to site huge advances in quality and reliability - we'll see, you may be right. As for the 1999 model year, all I know is I wouldn't want to take one in the chops with it.
#1388 of 7485 Car Problems
Jun 14, 2002 (10:08 am)
Looks like your Toyota needed mostly routine maintenance items. Not quite the same as the guy who needed a new tranny (twice), AC and drive shaft seize. Probably not indicative of all DCs but not a car I would be proud to own. Talk about a banana comparison.
#1389 of 7485 Give me a break! by 4aodge
Jun 14, 2002 (10:25 am)
dmathews, I can't believe you would actually use a story of an owner of a 1996 model DC van as solid proof to challenge DCs current reliability
I didn't say that. I said I would again consider a DC van as long as their CURRENT vans didn't end up with the reliability of those previous ones.
#1390 of 7485 Car Problems by steeleng
Jun 14, 2002 (10:28 am)
Those kind of repairs were about the norm in the 60's and 70's even into the 80's on some American cars but most all cars foreign and domestic last longer now. I'm surprised the guy kept it as long as he has. Looks like that was a big mistake.
Jun 14, 2002 (11:04 am)
My point exactly. My Toyota has been a very good car (except for the lousy vinyl seats). The only odd problems would be the starter and maybe the oxygen sensor, both of which have lasted longer on my Chrysler. It just makes me chuckle when people sometimes lump their routine maintenance items in with breakdown items to shall we say overemphasize reliability issues. I'm not saying that is what he did but unless his struts went in less than 30k miles I would generally consider that a maintenance item.
#1392 of 7485 How do you know Chrysler quality has improved?
Jun 14, 2002 (11:27 am)
I'm the loser that kept the 96 GC ES too long. No we didn't drive it into the ground. Actually driven by my wife with 2 kids in it mostly. And we kept up regular maintenance (had 2 trany "tune-ups", regular engine tune-ups, replaced front brakes at 37k mi and 56k mi, plus reg. oil changes, etc) Other than having to take it to the dealer 5 times to fix the intermittent ABS light problem, most of the problems didn't start until 1999. That makes the car 3 years old. Soooo... can you tell me the 2000+ models won't have horrendous issues starting next year? By the way I didn't list all the problems, also had the rocker cover and oil pan gaskets replaced due to leaks, had electrical problems, a MOPAR OEM battery short. Yes it sounds like I got a lemon, but how do you know 2000+ models won't be as bad come a year or two from now?
Jun 14, 2002 (1:53 pm)
"Yes it sounds like I got a lemon, but how do you know 2000+ models won't be as bad come a year or two from now?"
I can tell you because I drive a 2000 Town & Country with over 43k miles and haven't had a single problem yet. Ok, well, I'll be honest. We did have to replace the breaks a little early at 36k miles but I think my driving is to blame. Good thing the new DC vans have bigger disc breaks on all four wheels!
Also, we had a 1998 Grand Caravan SE that had 70k miles of trouble free driving. And we drove that car into the ground too. It was used multiple times each day by different drivers and had the mileage of a vehicle almost twice it's age when we turned it in. I'm sure whoever is driving it now is enjoying a good looking, safe, and reliable DC minivan.
Yes, Chrysler reliability has improved significantly since your 1996 model Grand Caravan ES. Look at Consumer Reports and all the others if you don't believe me. But I would understand if you never wanted to get behind the wheel of another Chrysler vehicle. Ever.
Jun 14, 2002 (1:58 pm)
I didn't mean to say you said something you didn't. I went on the defensive a little to hard. Just making sure people knew the new DC vans aren't like miffed1's troubled 1996 Grand Caravan ES. Sorry.
Jun 14, 2002 (5:37 pm)
I didn't think your comments were defensive. And its good to know Chrysler has atleast one very satisfied customer.
#1396 of 7485 Chysler has many satisfied customer
Jun 14, 2002 (5:48 pm)
Chrysler Caravan many repeat buyer. Caravan still sell most.
Magic Seat, most space luggage, most power, almost best gas mileage reason got Odyssey. Chrysler and Odyssey both good minivan.