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You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
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Jun 03, 2002 (6:20 am)
"The vehicle dependability study covers vans only after 4 or 5 years of ownership so the Honda doesn't apply (the most recent study was done on 1997 model years). The design is completely new, more powerful, bigger, heavier, (basically a cloan of the Chrysler), and now has the problems to match. The old Honda design with its light weight, and weak motor, and gadget free design was much more reliable. So the only study to go buy would be initial quality (which covers the first two years of ownership), where the Chrysler vans are superior to the Honda."
Incidentally, I never stated the JDP Dependability survey was valid for the current model Odyssey; it is indeed for 5-year old vehicles. Similarly, the IQ survey has about the same validity for measuring long term reliability. It is for the most recent model year only.The newly released survey is for owners of MY2002 vehicles after only 90 days of ownership. As such, it reports mostly manufacturing defects; problems with assembly and early-life failures. Like most products, vehicles have a higher incidence of problems when they are brand new, and then it again increases later in life. The idea is to get a measurement of the initial failures early in life, and then also measure the long-term failures later in life. The two types of failures are not necessarily dependent on each other.
Personally, if I was going to buy any survey to get a predictor of long-term reliability, I'd go with Consumer Reports. Despite their flaws, at least their reliability projections are based on the most recent years of the current generation of vehicle, and not just the first 90 days of the current model year. Your mileage may vary.
#1268 of 7485 4adodge guess again
Jun 03, 2002 (6:28 am)
"I think just about any Ford would be more exciting to drive than a Ody, even my grandma's 1994 Escort wagon..."
Once again 4adodge, speculation on your part. You've never driven an Odyssey so how can you describe the driving experience? As I recall, your list of vehicles that you have driven consists of: your folks DC minivan, their Neon - I mean PT Cruiser, and your Gmas' Escort Wagon. Do test results mean nothing to you when reviewers describe the Odyssey's ride and handeling as "sporty" and "spirited"? I suggest you drive one before you make comments based on what you think the van drives like. Unless of course, you're afraid you might actually like the van more than your DC:-)
#1269 of 7485 host leeway (Hi odd1)
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 03, 2002 (6:45 am)
Actually it does get old when people are critized instead of ideas. I know you guys can defend yourselves quite well, but the drivability insights and other helpful tidbits that get posted are nicer to see.
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#1270 of 7485 host leeway (Hi odd1) by steve_ HOST
Jun 03, 2002 (6:53 am)
With a group like Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans I doubt you will ever get a rational discussion.
bdaddy "I think just about any Ford would be more exciting to drive than a Ody, even my grandma's 1994 Escort wagon..." Come on now, speaking of being rational. An Escort Wagon A Huffy bike would be better than any Escort. As far as any Ford better than an Odyssey you could include any van in that statement. They aren't no Corvette, but than again they don't cost like a Corvette.
#1271 of 7485 bdaddy guess again
Jun 03, 2002 (7:50 am)
"Do test results mean nothing to you when reviewers describe the Odyssey's ride and handling as "sporty" and "spirited"?"
Reviews say that about the boxy, boring, bland Honda Odyssey? That's funny. I could have sworn they said that about the Grand Caravan ES w/ torquey 3.8 V6 and 17 inch wheels. And If im correct the Town & Country beat the Odyssey is just about every drive category there was and the editors said if they were to take a road trip, they'd take the Town & Country hands down over the competition. I've never driven an Odyssey but just based on what I've read and how it looks, it's hardly a "sporty" or "spirited" car.
Yes, looks can be deceiving, but...
#1272 of 7485 JD powers initial quality
Jun 03, 2002 (8:03 am)
Well according to JD Power's director of product research Brian Walters, "While many manufacturers focus on initial quality—or quality in the first one to two years of ownership—a real economic impact is felt by both owners and manufacturers in long-term durability, which is after four to five years of ownership,"
So he says they initial quality study reflects the first 1 or 2 years of ownership, while the durability study is for 4 or 5 years.
I know that they only survey for the first 3 months of ownership on the initial quality study, but according to the studies designers this reflects the first 1-2 years of ownership.
Jun 03, 2002 (8:16 am)
And the plastic bag makes up for the hard ride 50 MPH speed limit and limited range. Where do you put the flat tire when you are loaded with passengers and luggage?Is taking all the luggage out to access the rear storage compartment (if it's not full) in the rain or snow is another exciting benefit?
#1274 of 7485 Torque Talk (again)
Jun 03, 2002 (8:26 am)
You and your torque. Every time you're hit with facts and real driving impressions, you go off about the torque of the DC 3.8 liter engine. Ody torque is 242 ft lbs, 4,500 rpm. Towing cpacity of 3,500 lbs. DC makes 245 ft lbs 4,000 rpm with a towing capacity of 3,800 lbs. Hardly what I'd call a huge difference in torque between the vehicles. Besides, you could compare vehicles that have vast differences in torque and it wouldn't necessarily equate to anything other than in what the vehicles are capable of towing (notice I said "wouldn't necessarily" because there are many variables that affect performance, ride comfort, etc. Torque is certainly a variable but I'm not sure what point you keep trying to ake with it.)
As for one vehicle being boring, boxey, bland etc., beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've driven every 2002 minivan out there, (yes, even the Caravan EX with the mighty 3.8L stump pulling torquey shmorkey engine). Honda beat everybody hands down with the 240 HP V-Tec, the four wheel indepedent suspension, 4 wheel ABS disk brakes and firm, responsive steering. For me it came down to size, safety, ride, handeling and the three R's - resale, resale, resale. till you drive 'em, you're just speculating and wearing your loyalty on your sleeve.
Jun 03, 2002 (8:37 am)
I've had 4 flats on my '99 van that has the spare underneath. The worse was on the TransLabrador highway - muddy gravel road in the middle of nowhere. We were living out of the van so it was pretty full of camping gear and stuff. The cable device is close enough to the rear hatch that too much stuff didn't have to get rearranged to lower the spare (getting to my tools was harder). The spare was filthy. The cable is long enough so at least I didn't have to crawl under the van to put the flat tire back underneath. I got muddy anyway changing the tires.
We knew we'd be on roads like this a lot on our roadtrip, so we had tossed the spacesaver spare for a full-sized one. That was a bigger concern to me when I was pricing the Odyssey. I can tolerate some dirt, but I like having a "real" spare, since we still like to tool around on the forest service roads around here, and I seem to have a knack for ruining tires.
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#1276 of 7485 Oddy spare by hayneldan
Jun 03, 2002 (11:43 am)
Sounds like before you start making all these comments you would find out where Odyssey puts it spare. Also when you put all that gear and passengers in the DC van I'm sure its full but in the Odyssey there is still plenty of room.