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You are in the Honda Odyssey
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May 18, 2002 (4:19 pm)
Oh give me a break! Chrysler won't invest in updating their engines and transmissions? What are you talking about? They already have! It's no secret and it certainly isn't a corporate lie. Pick up a business magazine or go read the automotive editorials and reports at Detroit News.com. Chrysler has started and improved numerous programs designed to improve quality across the board on all their vehicles and the results are showing. Not only do Chrysler products have a higher quality look on the inside and out but their transmission and engines are lasting longer and giving better performance at the same time. Just look at Consumer Reports or the awards from JD Power if you don't believe me.
Chrysler vans were ranked #2 in initial quality according to JD Powers. I doubt the Odyssey was #1.
As for engine and transmission performance, it too has improved with the latest generation of Chrysler vans. You don't believe me? Just ask edmunds who said the Town & Country's 3.8 12V OHV performed just as well if not better than many of the competition's more advanced engines. Both the 2.4, 3.3, and 3.8 engines were overhauled for 2001 and now give better performance and are cleaner running, not to mention they were all refined to deliver much smoother acceleration.
In addition, every year Chrysler improves the reliability AND performance of their 41TE transmission. The 4-speed that is in our 2001 PT Cruiser is the same unit that is used in our 2000 Town & Country, but is MUCH, MUCH smoother and efficient. All of those improvements were made in only a year's time. And I'm confident the performance and reliability of a 2002 41TE would be even greater than that of the unit used in our 2001 Cruiser.
Ody01, you only have 13,000 miles on your Odyssey. And yes, Honda did have a problem with the transmissions in the earlier 1999 and 2000 Odyssey vans. It is nowhere near as large in scale as the one Chrysler had with it's vans, but its still a problem. Unless, of course, you can honestly tell me Honda quality has declined THAT much.
41K miles on 00 T&C NO PROBLEMS
#1234 of 7485 (4adodge)
May 20, 2002 (3:58 am)
Not to be inflammatory, but saying that the same transmission is smoother and more efficient in a PT Cruiser than in a T&C is not saying much, considering the weight difference.
There were some bad components from a supplier that caused some initial problems with the Odyssey ( and I think Accord) transmissions. Honda replaced them under warranty. Honda does stand behind their product.
#1235 of 7485 reply 4adodge
May 20, 2002 (6:27 am)
Judging from replacement 41TE trans supplied by DC I can tell you that there is no noticeable improvement compared to original.
May 20, 2002 (5:18 pm)
"Judging from replacement 41TE trans supplied by DC I can tell you that there is no noticeable improvement compared to original."
Judging by that statement alone, I can surmise that you have no clue what you are talking about.
#1237 of 7485 reply 4adodge
May 21, 2002 (2:11 pm)
You may surmise whatever you please.
The fact is that my replacement 41TE trans performs no better than the original and I would warn anyone contemplating purchase of a DC van to expect early failure of trans. Notwithstanding the 7/70 warranty, you will also have to convince the dealer if there is anything wrong with it short of total failure.
I would also advise anyone not to purchase until DC puts Gen 4 seatbelt buckles in ALL seating positions, not just the front row.
May 21, 2002 (2:49 pm)
"The fact is that my replacement 41TE trans performs no better than the original and I would warn anyone contemplating purchase of a DC van to expect early failure of trans."
That would explain why the shift quality of our 2000 Town & Country is much better than that of our 1998 Grand Caravan 3.3 or how we have gone through two DC vans with no problems whatsoever. Or how my friend has 65k miles on his 2000 Town & Country Limited with no serious problems.
Chrysler has sold 9 million minivans. I'm sure only a fraction of that number have experienced serious problems with their vans. I'd love for you drive a 96 T&C and tell me it gave the same performance as a new 02. If you said yes, I'd call you a liar.
May 21, 2002 (3:35 pm)
Let's avoid the name-calling, present and future.
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#1240 of 7485 not interested in used van
May 22, 2002 (3:47 am)
I drove two new 02 GC's this year and trans was OK but so was mine when new. Most mechanical problems develop over time and will not be apparent during test drive of a vehicle that only has a few miles.
#1241 of 7485 (4adodge)
May 22, 2002 (5:23 am)
I am sure that DC has improved it's transmissions since 1996. They have upgraded the transmission fluid , too.
I owned a 96. I traded it in at a significant loss with 72k miles on it for a Honda Odyssey. I now have 58K trouble free miles and it drives just like new.
#1242 of 7485 not too sure
May 22, 2002 (5:59 am)
Pat 84 is sure DC improved its trans but bought a Honda. I will check out Honda when I can tolerate their cheeky salesmen again.