Last post on Mar 23, 2008 at 7:43 AM
You are in the Honda Odyssey
What is this discussion about?
Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
Feb 17, 2002 (7:10 am)
."I currently own a 95 Windstar and we've been pretty happy with it overall."
"Of course cassitc would be more impressed with the Odyssey after having a Windstar that soured him on any American brand..."
Carleton1, did you even read his comments?
In any case, maybe Cassitc is impressed with Odyssey since it maintains the standards of minivan safety started by Ford with the Windstar in 1995 (5-star NHTSA results and a "Good" IIHS Offset result even in back then). Seven model years later, and GM and Chrysler still haven't matched Ford in minivan crashworthiness. It only took Toyota until 1998 and Honda until 1999 to do it...
Luxury trinkets or safety, everyone has their own priorities. But feel free to slam his Windstar if it makes you feel better.
#1028 of 7485 Sales...
Feb 17, 2002 (8:18 am)
The main reason DC sells 3x more vans than Honda *IS* because of availability. I'm not saying that Honda would sell as many as DC if production were equal, but supply and demand are the main reasons Honda does not sell more. Honda has made the conscious decision to limit their vans sales (at least for the next few years) at around 150K vans per year.
When my wife and I were shopping for vans, we looked long and hard at all the makes. We ended up with the Honda because of nearly every review stating that it was the best, positive feedback from other owners, and a better price.
We had to wait quite some time for the van and it was VERY tempting to buy another van sitting on the lot of other dealers.
Believe it or not, the EX model we got was a better value, at full MSRP, than a discounted Grand Caravan. To get the options we wanted (pretty loaded Honda EX vs GC ES), the Caravan was around 33K. Take a 3K discount and you are still higher than the Odd at 27K. Throw in $600 for the extra powertrain warrenty from DC and $2K for interest savings from 0% and they prices are almost the same. Now look at resale value and there is no contest.
#1029 of 7485 Sales... by usa1
Feb 17, 2002 (8:50 am)
If we use the DC posters mentality of DC vans are better than Odyssey because they sell more what does that say about the rest of the DC products, that they are all junk? Caddys sell more than Mercedes, Ford/Chevy outsell Dodge trucks and so on. Mercedes are as good if not better than the Caddy but not if we use the van mentality. Same for the dodge trucks which are at least as good as their counterparts.
Feb 17, 2002 (3:12 pm)
Given all of the negative rhetoric I have read about both of our current vehicles (1998 GC Sport & 1999 328i), I must really be a loser, because I am about to replace the GC with a 2002 T&C Limited and the 328i with a 2002 530i. Oh well, I guess I will just have to live with it.
Feb 17, 2002 (6:30 pm)
As long as you do your research and buy what meets your needs, you won't end up a loser.
#1032 of 7485 Caviller
Feb 17, 2002 (6:45 pm)
Trust me, my last post was written VERY toung in cheek. For our purposes, the T&C Limited and the 530i are the perfect vehicles.
Feb 17, 2002 (8:41 pm)
dmathews, I have never used the fact that DC sells more minivans than ANYONE else as a reason to say they are better than the competition. Saying that I have would be putting words in my mouth, which I don't appreciate. However, I have suggested that the reason why DC sells so many minivans is because MORE PEOPLE prefer DC minivans over others such as the Odyssey, for whatever reasons. Just this month alone, DC sold almost 30k more minivans than Honda (or anyone else). That is amazing and I think it shows that people still prefer Chrysler over the competition when it comes to minivans.
Basicly, people don't buy what they dont want or wont be satisfied with. And as I've said before, if it ment waiting three months to get a new 2002 Town & Country, I would gladly and patiently put my name on the list, despite the long deliverly time. If the Odyssey is such a spectacular vehicle, than why not wait for it?
BTW, I KNOW for a fact that those near 30k minivan buyers did not settle for a lowly DC minivan just beacuse they couldnt find a flawless Honda Odyssey in time for their purchase. Saying so would be rediculous, although I wouldn't put it past many DC bashers here at TROLL hall...
Feb 18, 2002 (5:28 am)
I didn't mean you personally, but you just did all but say that. Maybe you have a little Johnny Cockrun in you.(Lawyer) Some people here do say that the DC vans are better or so many people wouldn't buy them so I just used the same way of thinking to make a point. The reason DC sells so many is because they were the first, some people will not buy foregn for any reason, and Honda doesn't want to make more of them which if they did would take away from DC. Same as when DC had the only convertible for a number of years, now a large number of companies are making convertibles which was bound to hurt DC.