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#6756 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [foreverbfc]
May 24, 2005 (3:22 pm)
I bought my '00 ODY EX with 93k from a Toyota dealer with knowledge that the V6 Honda Trannies are plagued with problems. I bought the van knowing this because of my experience with our '03 Accord and how Honda bent over backwards working the bugs out of our Accord (new model year).
However, you must be warned that Honda does not have solutions to their transmission problems. Basically, your trans will be replaced with a "remanufactured" unit with the same design flaws (under warranty up to 100k whether original owner or not).
Another thing to consider is that you will replace front brake pads every 20k. The discs are designed and sized for a 2500lb Accord not a 4500lb van. Our front brakes our shuddering (our '03 Accord also) fiercely.
Lastly, our Odyssey is on its third transmission since January and the van has 101k now. A co-worker of mine just sold his 1998 Chevy Venture with 160k trouble free miles, he can't believe the problems I'm having. I am really disappointed with Honda on this issue. I guess it could be worse and get stuck with a 2k service bill from Ford or GM.
#6757 of 7240 Win some Lose some
May 24, 2005 (5:05 pm)
I think the basic problem is the manufactures are trying to get away with using car weight parts on an almost truck weight vehicle. We had a Y2K Montana that at 60k miles had the transmission fail, a head gasket blow, and several other problems. Up until that point, it had been relatively trouble free. We traded it in on a 2004 Ody. I could have gotten a tremendous deal on a 2003 Venture (GM employee discount, left over model, etc.), but I had enough of GM. Now with 33k, the Ody is doing great. Just like the Montana at a similar age.
Time will tell.
#6758 of 7240 Been awhile since I treaded these parts
May 25, 2005 (9:28 pm)
Was a regular back in 2000-01'............
anyways.....2000 LX was totalled....just thought I'd share a few thoughts:
-Had 100k.....only paid $114.00 in mechanical repairs (heater motor went crazy on me once, either cranked on high or not at all).
-Does eat the brakes....every 20-25k. I'm sure most minvans do though, heavy vehicles.
-3 other trips to the dealer for stuff but it was minor techno crap that was all covered by the warranty.
-stereo sucked, had that replaced early.....test drove an 02' the other day ..I can't believe they were still throwing those junk cassette systems in the LX model two years after I bought one...lol. I guess its still punishment for being a lowly LX buyer.
-sliders stuck from time to time.....shin etsu took care of it.
-I once went 10k w/o changing the oil.....stupid, but the ody rolled on.
-it did 110mph.......once...too chicken to go higher
-20 city, 25-27 highway....got 31 with tailwind once.
-insurance settled $11,500 for the vehicle.....paid 24k after takes for it.......not too bad.....5 years, 100k...still got that much....Hondas resale value is respected I think.
I do though have a problem with buying used at 100k miles....and thats what I would have to settle for if I bought another ody.....not sure if the good luck would have kept going..............might move to an MPV with about 50 or 60k...the check should cover that...........don't know............thoughts appreciated.
Great machine......no denying it (or at least, I have no reason to)
#6759 of 7240 Re: Replacement Tires for '02 Odyssey [bostongarden]
May 27, 2005 (5:53 am)
I replaced the Original Michelin Symmetry tires on my 00 Ody at around 60k miles with Michelin Harmony tires. They are good in rain and adequate in most snow. They now have approximately 25k on them and are wearing well.(They are a high mileage tire.) At this point I am experiencing more road noise than normal, so I suspect the harder compound for mileage results in decreased ride softness and harsher ride, at least at this wear point. The Ody experiences a harsher ride than I like, at least on less than smooth roads. With that in mind, I would next be looking at a softer riding tire with adequate weather performance, rather than one with higher mile expectations at the expense of the ride. I have not as yet researched which tire would give me that.
#6760 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [blackexv6]
May 27, 2005 (6:16 am)
Sorry, but Odysseys are hardly "plauged" with transmission problems. As I understand it, 2% or less were affected. For Honda, that's too high a number but hardly a crisis.
The remanufactured units are updated to reduce tha chances of trouble.
#6761 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [blackexv6]
May 27, 2005 (3:50 pm)
I think your 2% number is based upon '02 & '03 Odysseys with the 5 speed transmission. I believe Honda was able to catch most of the failures before they occured by visual gear inspection (stress color). My '03 Accord went through the same process.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the older '99-'01 model years with 4 speed transmissions had a significant occurance of failure. Hence, Honda gave 100k exteneded warranties for these model years.
It would be interesting to see the failure percent for the '99-'01 4 speeds.
#6762 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [blackexv6]
May 27, 2005 (5:48 pm)
The April 2005 issue of Consumer Reports shows the 99 Odyssey with 9.3 to 14.8%, the 2000 with 2 to 5%, and the 2001 and 2002 with 5 to 9.3% transmission problems. I wish it were just 2%.
As to the 2nd gear recall and Odyssey transmission problems in general:
The 2nd gear oiling problem appears to be a separate problem from the more common problem of slipping and not engaging. The more common problem may be due to clutch wear, clogging of oil passages with worn clutch material and lack of proper oil flow as a result. The oil jet may not solve the more common problem. This is one conclusion that may be drawn from reading the 2nd gear recall document SB 04-021 and comparing that to other reports of failures. The described modes of failure are very different. The oil jet may actually increase oil to a certain gear and reduce oil to other parts of the transmission.
#6763 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [camerauser]
May 30, 2005 (12:07 pm)
Camerauser, thanks for the data. The numbers are pretty high for a company that built its reputation on reliability.
As a side note, I went for a troubleshoot test drive in my '00 Ody with a Senior Tech (15 years) at my local Honda dealer. He said they have a tech replacing trannies full time (5 per week) on '99-'01 Odys & Accords. He said the reliable Hondas were the '80's & early '90's (lasted 200-300k without major repairs) because they were simple cars. These cars were made in Japan and were relatively expensive in their market. The reliablity problems started popping up when Honda kept the price stable and built more cars in the US (Toyota & Nissan similar).
#6764 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [blackexv6]
May 30, 2005 (12:59 pm)
The reliablity problems started popping up when Honda kept the price stable and built more cars in the US (Toyota & Nissan similar).
Well, you're insight is blown right out of the water. All the Ody transmissions (at least in 2000) are made in Japan and shipped to North America.
#6765 of 7240 Re: Looking for a '99 or '00 ODY with no problems! [robr2]
May 30, 2005 (8:13 pm)
Japanese built unreliable transmissions.
Yes, the 1999-2004 Odyssey transmissions were made in Japan while the vehicle was assembled in Canada or the USA. Still not reliable enough.
The Acura CL and TL before 2004 have even more unreliable transmissions and some have US built transmissions.
For Odyssey, reliability did decline when they began to be assembled in North America with the 1999 models. This is true even though some parts were made in Japan. Data showing this shift starting in 1999 can be seen in Consumer Reports reliability charts in the auto issue.
So the statement that the vehicle is less reliable when it began to be assembled in the North America would be valid for the Odyssey.