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Honda Odyssey, Van
Aug 22, 2001 (9:02 pm)
arbac, all of the Volvos have (unfortunately; I like Volvos!) had below average reliabilty for the last few years.
mchwe, as a Volvo engineer once said, safety is a lot more than just a few safety features or good scores in a couple of crash tests such as what you mentioned...it is the art of engineering an overall package. Most people get fooled into thinking that good crash test scores automatically means a safe vehicle. This is not necessarily true. Things like permanent 4WD and stability control, as well as brake assist, patented beefy wedge shaped door latches (next time you see a MB vehicle, compare its door latches with your current vehicle), and great headlamps all contribute to this overall package.
It is for this reason as well as all of the tests that I've seen MB conduct that I personally believe that the ML is safer than any minivan or SUV on the market. For decades in Germany, MB has sent their own accident investigation team whenever there is an accident involving a MB vehicle. Volvo is the only other manufacturer in the world who does something similar (in Sweden). This way, they can have first hand knowledge of real world data and performance of their vehicles. MB and Volvo are also the only two manufacturers who send their cars sideways off a ramp to force it to rollover 4-5 times. It has been said that if this test was mandated by law, most of the vehicles sold today would fail the test. For me, the fact that all of the safety technology (new or old) is developed by the European manufacturers and handed to the Japanese, US, and Korean manufacturers says a lot.
BTW, the IIHS webpage with the injury and loss numbers applies to vehicles in 1996 and 1998. This means that it applies to the previous generation Honda Odyssey. Not even the one that is sold today. Also, they can only be compared to other vehicles in the same class (vans to vans, not vans to SUVs). An explanation for the low figures for the Odyssey may be that there were comparatively very few of them (the previous generation) sold. This results in a small sample size.
For me personally, there would be only one question...if I am going to be involved in an accident which vehicle would I rather be in? A Honda or a MB. That said though, if I needed to buy a minivan today, I would probably choose a Sienna or an Odyssey. Ask me in a few years, and I would go for the new MB minivan. However, if I was in the market for an SUV today, I would still go with an ML. As for an AWD wagon, the E320 4-matic wagon would be my choice.
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#3103 of 7240 Honda controlling supply.
Aug 22, 2001 (9:14 pm)
If the previous post regarding sales figures on Ody are correct, then that would indicate to me Honda can supply much more than they do. If there sales are down a few thousand than the question is if demand is greater than supply why not continue to sell every unit made and have sales that dwarf the previous year.I know this sounds confusing, but its late and I need sleep.
I think there is a manufacture and dealer "agreement" that they are all adhering to. For example, Honda keeps there units that are allocated, stored somewhere close at hand. Then when the customer comes in with his money they say give me a deposit and I get you a car in 4-6 weeks. WOW! sound's like these cars are selling like hot cakes right? Well guess what, in 2 weeks the dealer calls and says Hey! you car will be here any day. Well I think this is a bunch of bull.
If Honda filled there lots with 10-15 units ready for delivery, I think they would sell about the same every year as they do now and dealers would be forced to negotiate.
I think the car is great, but this supply issue is more hype and belief in peoples minds than anything else. Same goes for the Acura MDX.
Now someone tell me IM wrong and why?
#3105 of 7240 comp. and Temp. Mirror
Aug 23, 2001 (3:58 am)
I have a 2002 odyeesy on order and would like to get a comp. and temp. rear view mirror for my van. Between the Donnelly and Gentex, which mirror would fit and look better? Thank you
Aug 23, 2001 (4:17 am)
Donnelly makes them OEM for most of the automakers. I would go in that direction myself. I also knwo several folks who put installed the Donnelly. and were very happy.
Aug 23, 2001 (4:57 am)
what you are saying is not correct. Honda's Canadian mfg plant has had to share its production line with the Acura MDX. They are using the same chassis. The MDX is taking away form Odyssey numbers. This should ease up somewhat as the Alabama plant starts up this month.
Here in Maryland, if Honda doubled our allocations we would still sell every one we could lay our hands on.
Aug 23, 2001 (5:05 am)
I have a 2002 odyssey on order. I'm expecting it the end of October. Paying MSRP. I've asked to have an after market sunroof installed. I am concerned because I never see mini vans with sunroofs. Does anyone know if I'm doing the right thing?
#3109 of 7240 for arbabc
Aug 23, 2001 (6:27 am)
OK... just thought that you might want to support your claim with some facts or evidence. That you are declining to do so speaks volumes, even though you are saying nothing.
#3110 of 7240 arbabc - profit
Aug 23, 2001 (7:34 am)
In general, the auto manufacturers make much more profit on the car than the dealer. I heard somewhere that Ford makes more than $10K on every Lincoln Navigator they sell to the dealer.
In general, the futher down the sales channel you are, the less you make in profit.
Aug 23, 2001 (8:10 am)
IMHO, I doubt that Honda and its dealers are colluding to control supply. First, there are way too many dealers to control for this to work. I don't know how many dealers Honda has, but I doubt they could all keep that alleged plot under wraps for 3 years. Second, it's illegal. I know companies have done illegal things before, but I just don't see it.
Honda may not be building enough to satisfy demand, but neither did the people who made Cabbage Patch Kids and Tickle Me Elmo Dolls, nor electricity generators in parts of California this summer.
I believe the sales numbers are for the US only and if you take the appx 74,000 units sold through July divide by 7 and multiply by 12, you get annual sales of over 126,000 units. Capacity right now without Alabama is 120,000. So technically, they are selling at a rate that will use up all their capacity. Also, I don't know if the sales numbers are based on sales to dealers or registrations. It's possible some dealers have inventory on the lot they are holding.
I understand that you feel that paying MSRP is wrong. I didn't like paying it either, but IMHO I felt it was a good value. My goal was to get the best deal I could. Personally, I don't care how much profit the dealer makes, they set the selling price based on the market conditions. I don't know what you do for work, but trust me, if your employer is a for profit, they do the same thing.
Remember, capitalism is the American way. No profit, no need for all those employees.