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Re: Advice on dealing in Chicago area? [irishelvis]
by liujn
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Apr 08, 2005 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: irishelvis (Apr 08, 2005 11:25 am)
Congratulations! This is considered a good deal given the fact you bought from Honda of Lisle. Last time when I was there, they offered $400-$500 below MSRP firm. I stepped out in 10 minutes.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa]
by liujn
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Apr 08, 2005 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)
I would agree with you if you assumed that salesmen's jobs were hard and shoppers' lives were easy. The fact is that many of us have to work very hard to earn just enough. If you put things in perspective, you will understand that the problem is not between shoppers and salesmen. One step back, I don't even think there is a problem. If there was a problem, it should be a problem of the big system. If our jobs can be shipped oversea, why we can not look for the best deal. My point is the competition is everywhere, and we are both the benificiaries and victims of it.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [liujn]
by deblesfam
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Apr 08, 2005 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: liujn (Apr 08, 2005 1:50 pm)
I admire the fact that salesman are willing to put in the hours, waiting for someone who is actually ready to buy a vehicle. I don't like the fact the car sales environment is set up to haggle price and leaves the buyer with some level of obligation to purchase. I am not one who can buy without doing my homework. I'd like to know why I can't order a car like I can a computer online? Dell has kiosks at malls where you can work with a salesman to see the products and determine what features you want before you buy. Then you can order online. Dell has annoyed the likes of HP for years by driving down the cost because they have sold their systems direct to the customer. I've always believed cars could be sold direct. All they need is a show room with test drive vehicles for those like me who want to buy the vehicle exactly how I want it and not comprimise my choices on a $30k - $35K vehicle. How much of a premium should I pay to test drive a car and have a couple of questions answered? I'm leaving that out there for you to decide.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa]
by lumbar
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Apr 08, 2005 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)
While you probably don't need any compliments from me, I thought that was a very articulate post. But I don't agree with a considerable amount of it. If it's not OT for this forum, I'm curious, for one thing, as to why it's "out there" for the average Ody buyer to want to buy the vehicle for the least amount possible (which many want to and will) but not for the average Ody salesperson to want to sell the vehicle for the highest amount possible (which many want to and will). The tension between the two is essentially what capitalism is all about. I realize that so-called "grinders" are the bane of the salesperson's existence--both with Odys and many other vehicles, but dealerships that squeeeze every last cent out of the buyer through various ADMs, add-ons, F & I shenanigans, and "processing fees" are no less the bane of the car buyer's existence.
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Re: EXL DVD/NAV L.I.,N.Y. [michellek3]
by crakr
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Apr 08, 2005 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: michellek3 (Apr 08, 2005 7:26 am)
I bought the vehicle from Baron Honda in Patchogue. Van is due in any day now. I will get back to you as far as likes and dislikes, though after researching this purchase for months, I can not see that I will find much to dislike. Good Luck.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa]
by zaphod1
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Apr 08, 2005 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)
nzlusa - Please... it is a free competitive market.. You make it sound like car salesmen are starving because we are not opening our wallets to them and letting them take advantage of us. If the salesmen are not making any money on the what we offer, then they are not going to sell the car. If he/she can't afford to only make $200 or $500 on the car, then he/she doesn't have to sell it for that price. It is just that simple. But again, it is a free market, and I guarentee there is someone (and as this site proves) out there who is willing to make a smaller profit, but still is somehow able to manage a living.
You mention in worse case scenarios they might only make $100 (which I doubt) for 1.5 hours work... Well, even that seems a bit much for a job which does not require a college education or manual labor.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa]
by dsrtrat2
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Apr 08, 2005 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)
The industry needs to shake out the gross inefficiencies of selling cars. I often know more about the car I want than the salesperson does. Then there is all their game playing going back and forth with the manager about the new car price, then with the used car manager about a trade in, then with the parts people about extras, etc., etc. They waste so much time for the informed consumer that it is hard to cut them any slack. Their job is to get the most money they can, and it is my "job" to save the most money for myself.
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Owner 05' EXL R&N
by myody
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Apr 08, 2005 (11:21 pm)
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I started my internet search for the 05' EXL R&N (DVD/NAV) about 1 month ago...
I live in Northern California and contacted dealers within a 75 mile radius. I knew the invoice price was aprox 31,400 and the MSRP was 34,810, that is a difference of aprox $3,400. I figured a fair deal for me and the dealer is splitting the profit margin. This gave me a $1,700 discount and it left the dealer a $1,700 profit...
TARGET PRICE FOR 05' EXL R&N $33,100+ fees Silver Pearl Met w/Gray Interior
What I was not willing to do is pay MSRP- no matter how popular the ODY EXL R&N was... I also did not leave a deposit with anyone! Any dealer that contacted me with a MSRP quote I didn't waste my time with...
The dealers that got my attention were: (They were straight forward/no games)
Yuba City Honda $33,163
Michael Hohl Honda $32,900
Hansel Honda $33,468
Grace Honda $33,363
Jim Doten Honda $33,363
Originally, I got ETA's then I began getting the VIN#'s - with details and out the door price...
Michael Hohl Honda Gold/Beige Vin# OTD aprox $36,000
Hansel Honda No response when I pushed for OTD price?
Yuba City Honda Didn't get the color I wanted (Honest Dealership)
Grace Honda Silver/Gray OTD $36,100 - couldn't produce VIN#?
Jim Doten Honda Silver/Gray OTD $36,115 VAN ARRIVED 4/6
I went to Jim Doten Honda that evening and made the purchase. Everything went smoothly - The staff there is wonderful, honest & informative!!!
I hope my experience will benefit other potential buyers -
Beware of the following Lines:
1) Come in and we'll talk - If the Ody is not on the lot don't waste your time
2) We need a deposit - The dealers use this to trap you - it guarantees
nothing!
3) It sells at MSRP - Only for the uniformed
I am enjoying my New Odyssey and the kid's call it the "I Robot" Van because of all the advanced features of the Navigation System...I will never buy another automobile without Nav!
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Re: dealer installed DVD & NAV... any good? [lincolnc]
by myody
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Apr 09, 2005 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: lincolnc (Apr 04, 2005 10:52 pm)
The Touring with DVD/NAV is readily availiable in Northern California...
I was searching for the EXL with DVD/Nav - no dealer had it in stock in Sacramento Area, Roseville, Yuba City, Chico or Bay Area BUT - they all tried to talk me into the Touring with the DVD/Nav because they are sitting on their lots!!!
I needed the 8th seat so I declined the Touring, however most of the dealers still gave me awesome quotes on the Touring with DVD/Nav -(close to invoice)
I recommend you try:
Auburn Honda
Yuba City Honda
Wittmeir Honda
Jim Doten Honda
Hansel Honda
El Cerrito Honda
Michael Hohl Honda
If you don't mind driving about 50 miles you could save $$$$!
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