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Re: EXL DVD/NAV L.I.,N.Y. [crakr] by michellek3
Apr 08, 2005 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: crakr (Apr 05, 2005 6:26 pm)

Hi,
Can you tell me who dealer was? I'm also on LI. And are you happy with the navigation? Is it worth the money? Anything you particularly like or dislike?
Much appreciated.
Michelle
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Re: Advice on dealing in Chicago area? [rniewijk] by irishelvis
Apr 08, 2005 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: rniewijk (Apr 05, 2005 12:12 pm)

Great eperience at Honda of Lisle!
 
Just picked up my EX-L RES this week and could not be happier. Paid 31,400 and they had it in stock. Great experience in the western burbs.
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WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! by nzlusa
Apr 08, 2005 (1:08 pm)
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Reading just a few messages, I cant believe what I am reading about how obsessed you all seem to be with price.
 
Yes, I get it, we all want a 'good deal'. But that all depends on what your perception of a 'good deal' is. Thats entirely up to you to decide, and not the reason for this post.
 
The reason for this post it to put in a plea on behalf of all of the sales people out there, the vast majority of them who just go to work to pay their bills, just like we all do.
 
I have a very very close friend who has been selling Hondas for almost 5 years now, and has some of the best customer service skills and product knowledge I have ever experienced. He just gives the customer all of the information they request, and usually more than that, and will never use the old tired, cliched lines we are all used to.
 
He often says that he will spend on average one and a half hours with a customer, often longer if its a complex vehicle with DVD and navigation systems, and his single biggest frustration is when the customer turns around and offers below invoice, expecting that after all of his effort and service, that he will end up working for what is called a 'mini' commission, which at his dealership is $100 GROSS.
 
I read these posts and cant believe that any of you, myself included would want to put ourselves through what car salespeople have to go through with many of their customers.
 
How many of you are in service industries and work for a combination base hourly plus commission, or straight commission? Some of you?
 
Well, then how many of you have a product that someone can research online, and within three minutes find out invoice, holdback (which no sales person gets paid a commission on), and every other expense that goes into making and marketing your product, and then have your customer show up, spend one hour, two hours, or three hours receiveing fantastic customer service and then they offer you what that product cost to make, or a fraction over that? None of you , unless you sell cars.
 
Once again, whatever you consider a 'good deal', is your own perception, however, give the people you are dealing with a break, allow them the same professional courtesy you expect from your customers and employers, allow that sales person to make a living.
 
The vast majority are good, honest, hardworking people, just like yourself, it just so happens a few of them are jerks, just like those few people in your company are jerks. Every company/organization has them.
 
Disclaimer : I AM NOT a car salesperson, just someone who wants everyone to make a fair and decent living, and receive a fair reward for a job well done.
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Re: Advice on dealing in Chicago area? [irishelvis] by liujn
Apr 08, 2005 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: irishelvis (Apr 08, 2005 11:25 am)

Congratulations! This is considered a good deal given the fact you bought from Honda of Lisle. Last time when I was there, they offered $400-$500 below MSRP firm. I stepped out in 10 minutes.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa] by liujn
Apr 08, 2005 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)

I would agree with you if you assumed that salesmen's jobs were hard and shoppers' lives were easy. The fact is that many of us have to work very hard to earn just enough. If you put things in perspective, you will understand that the problem is not between shoppers and salesmen. One step back, I don't even think there is a problem. If there was a problem, it should be a problem of the big system. If our jobs can be shipped oversea, why we can not look for the best deal. My point is the competition is everywhere, and we are both the benificiaries and victims of it.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [liujn] by deblesfam
Apr 08, 2005 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: liujn (Apr 08, 2005 1:50 pm)

I admire the fact that salesman are willing to put in the hours, waiting for someone who is actually ready to buy a vehicle. I don't like the fact the car sales environment is set up to haggle price and leaves the buyer with some level of obligation to purchase. I am not one who can buy without doing my homework. I'd like to know why I can't order a car like I can a computer online? Dell has kiosks at malls where you can work with a salesman to see the products and determine what features you want before you buy. Then you can order online. Dell has annoyed the likes of HP for years by driving down the cost because they have sold their systems direct to the customer. I've always believed cars could be sold direct. All they need is a show room with test drive vehicles for those like me who want to buy the vehicle exactly how I want it and not comprimise my choices on a $30k - $35K vehicle. How much of a premium should I pay to test drive a car and have a couple of questions answered? I'm leaving that out there for you to decide.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa] by lumbar
Apr 08, 2005 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)

While you probably don't need any compliments from me, I thought that was a very articulate post. But I don't agree with a considerable amount of it. If it's not OT for this forum, I'm curious, for one thing, as to why it's "out there" for the average Ody buyer to want to buy the vehicle for the least amount possible (which many want to and will) but not for the average Ody salesperson to want to sell the vehicle for the highest amount possible (which many want to and will). The tension between the two is essentially what capitalism is all about. I realize that so-called "grinders" are the bane of the salesperson's existence--both with Odys and many other vehicles, but dealerships that squeeeze every last cent out of the buyer through various ADMs, add-ons, F & I shenanigans, and "processing fees" are no less the bane of the car buyer's existence.
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Re: EXL DVD/NAV L.I.,N.Y. [michellek3] by crakr
Apr 08, 2005 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: michellek3 (Apr 08, 2005 7:26 am)

I bought the vehicle from Baron Honda in Patchogue. Van is due in any day now. I will get back to you as far as likes and dislikes, though after researching this purchase for months, I can not see that I will find much to dislike. Good Luck.
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Re: WOW YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE!!! [nzlusa] by zaphod1
Apr 08, 2005 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: nzlusa (Apr 08, 2005 1:08 pm)

nzlusa - Please... it is a free competitive market.. You make it sound like car salesmen are starving because we are not opening our wallets to them and letting them take advantage of us. If the salesmen are not making any money on the what we offer, then they are not going to sell the car. If he/she can't afford to only make $200 or $500 on the car, then he/she doesn't have to sell it for that price. It is just that simple. But again, it is a free market, and I guarentee there is someone (and as this site proves) out there who is willing to make a smaller profit, but still is somehow able to manage a living.
 
You mention in worse case scenarios they might only make $100 (which I doubt) for 1.5 hours work... Well, even that seems a bit much for a job which does not require a college education or manual labor.

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