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Honda Odyssey, Van
#5239 of 30577 Old technology[rbell2 #5236]
Apr 20, 2004 (11:22 am)
Of course, the Odyssey and Sienna have been leap-frogging each other. But the '04 Sienna was more than catch-up. I think we can all agree that the bar has been raised. To be fair, Honda had two years to leap frog the 'old technology' 1997-2003 Sienna with its '99 Odyssey. However, that same 'old technology' Sienna leap-frogged that truly horrible first generation Odyssey (the one with four conventional doors and abysmal crash test rating).
And it's just my personal taste, but I think the interior of the current Odyssey (even with leather) looks six-years old, and about as luxurious as a Civic's. I enjoy the Lexus-like interior and power rear door of my Sienna, but I realize that many Honda fans look at such things as frivolous.
#5240 of 30577 EXL-RES Price
Apr 20, 2004 (2:14 pm)
I haven't posted on this board before but have been reading and would appreciate your feedback. I'm still deciding between the Sienna and Ody and have received 2 quotes on an EX-L RES - one for $400 and the other for $500 > invoice (incl destination) in Indiana. These were the first quotes from the internet sales guys (over the phone). What do you think - more room to move?
#5241 of 30577 Where in Indiana?
Apr 20, 2004 (7:01 pm)
I've been waiting for Indianapolis dealers to deal close to invoice as the rest of the country. What dealerships did you call?
#5242 of 30577 ME TOO! EX-RES for $24,548 with destination!!
Apr 20, 2004 (7:10 pm)
After stalking the '04 Ody in these posts for months, I finally pulled the trigger and bagged my first new car ever; today! I owe it all to these fabulous posts and the 'Tips & Advice' section of edmunds. I new nothing about buying a car and yet today I got a great price and did it! Thank you to all who posted before me. I learned so much. I too went to DCH Academy Honda in Old Bridge, NJ and got hooked up with a 2004 Odyssey EX-RES for $24,548 including destination charge. There was also a $99.70 Doc. fee and a $125 DMV fee. With 8.625% (NY) tax. I had my own financing in order already (from Capital One) and did not have a trade in. My OTD price was $26,889.97! Did all my pricing through the internet and when I read that previous post (#5233) I called, they listened,I bought. This is such a buzz! What a great resource this forum is! Can't wait to do it all again...oh wait...it's an Ody...guess I'll have to wait, like maybe....10 years!!!!
PS the internet salesman at Academy Honda was really cool and treated me very well. Though I did have to wait around quite a bit for paper work and stuff which brought to mind the terrific under cover piece written for Edmunds.com by Chandler Phillips in his "Confessions of a Car Salesman." This waiting game seems to be a part of the sales game. 'Confesions...' is must reading for anyone about to buy a new car for the first time, or anyone else for that matter.
#5243 of 30577 Re: 1/24/04 Purchase of EX-L [mathews3 #4984]
Apr 20, 2004 (7:42 pm)
Can you tell me what was your actual price and what other options did you get for your EX-L? Also, which dealer did you go to in Columbus? Thanks
#5244 of 30577 Leapfrog???
Apr 20, 2004 (7:48 pm)
'99 Sienna Vs. '98 Ody
'99 Ody Vs. '99 Sienna
'04 Sienna Vs. '04 Ody
The first two comparisons above do represent leapfrogs. The third one is more of a catch-up by Toyo - certainly not a leapfrog. Try to examine this with an un-biased viewpoint.
Apr 20, 2004 (8:45 pm)
The Confessions article should be available when you log in, or you can read it at this link:
Confessions of a Car Salesman
#5246 of 30577 '04 Sienna merely catch-up?[rbell2 #5244]
Apr 21, 2004 (4:18 am)
Rbell2, if you consider the '04 Sienna's availability of 3-row side airbags, AWD, Vehicle Skid Control, power rear door, second-row windows that operate, and a 60/40 split rear seat that DOESN'T require the removal of the headrests to stow away as merely Toyot's 'catching-up,' then we'll just agree to disagree. The Odyssey offers none of these.
Sounds like you're a biased Honda lover to me.
Apr 21, 2004 (6:10 am)
Sure - let's disagree. The old Ody still holds it's ground well against the new Sienna. Remmeber when Toyo was having to discount the old Sienna while Ody's were selling for MSRP+? The new Sienna was not out 6 months before the price started dropping (several 1000 dollars). And what model were buyers using as the main competition to get Toyo dealers more honest with their pricing?? The "old" Ody. It is not going to get any easier for Toyo when the '05 Ody comes out.
Persoanlly, I think both the '05 Ody and '05 Sienna will be bought for $1,000's below MSRP because one will not have large advantages over the other one (unlike the old Sienna and current Ody).