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#26088 of 30576 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure.
Sep 15, 2010 (3:54 pm)
I just returned from previewing the new Odyssey Touring in Hagerstown Md where a rep from Honda is traveling from dealer to dealer to convince everyone that this is the van to be seen in. I believe they failed miserably.
With the exception of a few new bells and whistles, I believe it will take a lot more than this to woo anyone who knows and appreciates anything about the prior Odyssey models, in particular the 2008-2010. I was hoping to replace my 2008 Touring because of the improvements to the center row.... but I am really hesitant now. Looks like we'll have to wait until 2013 or 2014 to see the most refined 2011 redesign. Meaning a return to more leather, better trim... TOO MUCH PLASTIC in this one.
The biggest and best improvement is the center row seating. Each seat moves forward allowing extra leg room for the rear passengers. That is all I am happy about. They replaced some very nice leather trim finish with plastic. They got rid of the little compartments that were found in the rear passenger arm rests. They put the 110 outlet and the audio jacks on the outside with no covers which makes it look utility like, bottm line UGLY! They removed the nice storage box from above the glove box. Outside, they have that stupid zig zag lightning bolt line that truely makes it look like they attached a totally different car to the rear of the front end of this one.
They returned to putting the door key hole in the sheet metal. I think the last time I saw that was on my mom's 1979 Chevy Chevette! The door handles are gaudy... too much chrome! Oh, did I mention that the key hole on the door looks like a bullet hole?!
The wheels are awful, slits in surface?! A little too much! What about the roof rack?! Not practical? The design team boasts having owned upward of 40 Odyssey's in their lifetime combined. Somewhere along the line they faile dto recall just how tight things get even in this van when every passenger has at least one suitcase or duffle bag to bring on the road trip. HUGE oversight. They say you can get it but only as a dealr installed option. ISN"T $44000 ENOUGH!!
HUGE STEP BACKWARDS HONDA! Big dissapointment.
Does anyone know anyone who can modify or build me a whole new center seat on sliders so I can allow for more leg room in 3rd row?
#26089 of 30576 Re: 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure. [lalexopoulos]
Sep 15, 2010 (4:01 pm)
Here's the TRUTH, a Great Van that was once built overseas is now being built in America, the Stupid Unions get involved, and the quality of the Product goes into the Toilet. They get greedy with their garbage parts, union BS, and everything that was once great, is now Garbage...!!!
They keep increasing the price of the Vans because BillyBob working on the assembly line that puts the bolts on the Rims stubbed his toe for wearing his sisters open toed sandals to work and cut his little toe. Now they had to settle with BillyBob who by the way has the only jacked up 4X4 Odyssey in the Parking Lot of Assembly building #7.
DO THE MATH PEOPLE...!!!
#26090 of 30576 Re: 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure. [lalexopoulos]
Sep 15, 2010 (5:01 pm)
If more customers came to the same feelings as yours after seeing the 2011 model, we might see the prices of the 2011 ody come down rather quickly...
#26091 of 30576 Re: 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure. [lev280]
Sep 16, 2010 (3:03 pm)
Oh, I think we will regardless of the merits of the product. The market is too bad for any other outcome.
#26092 of 30576 Re: 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure. [cccompson]
Sep 16, 2010 (3:23 pm)
If forgot to mention that as if it does not have enough lines on it making it look like 2-3 different vehicles bolted together to make one, the hood about 3/4 of the way down has this god awful bend in it that runs parallel to the grille. I don't know what the hell they were thinking!
My senses are still in shock!
#26093 of 30576 Re: 2011 Odyssey a Miserable failure. [lalexopoulos]
Sep 16, 2010 (3:42 pm)
Hence, leave the Foreigners to make better cars...!! Surprised they didn't spit out a 4X4 Mud-Bogging Version.
#26094 of 30576 Re 2011 Odyssey a Miserable Failure (lalexopolous)
Sep 16, 2010 (4:55 pm)
The Unions are largely responsible for creating an American middle class. Now that Regan and his successors have destroyed the unions the middle class has declined to the point where there are fewer and fewer people able to afford decent transportation. I won't get into the larger issues of housing, banks, frauds. I am an Irishman living in Canada and I see nothing wrong with the American worker unionized or non unionized. I see a lot wrong with American management and government.
#26095 of 30576 Re: Re 2011 Odyssey a Miserable Failure (lalexopolous) [dreyfus1]
Sep 16, 2010 (6:25 pm)
Not saying that all Unions are good or bad, but you have to think about how a non-educated worker that puts on lug nuts is making $60/hour with benefits and all, full pension when he/she retires..perks...perks..perks...the average American car carries this LOAD to the tune of $1500 per car/truck compared to $150 per Japanese car/truck. And the quality of the avg. American car keeps dropping, plastic dashboards, plastic lug nuts, after 2 years they look like Junkers and are worth nothing, the door seams suck, when you close a door--it sounds like you are putting the Lid on a metal trash can...this is Garbage. They are not in-line with the foreign manufacturers because Foreign manufacturers---they don't have to put up with the BS from Unions. Don't you think they have dug themselves into their own grave? When does the greed stop? FACE IT... look at Detroit..the pig gets Fat, and the HOG gets slaughtered.....nothing left of a once prosperous city...because of GREED..!!
#26096 of 30576 Re: Re 2011 Odyssey a Miserable Failure (lalexopolous) [clermontfl]
Sep 16, 2010 (7:03 pm)
Just a note I don't believe the Alabama Honda plant is Unionized and the average pay is $14-$28 an hour with no technical education or experience. Great for the cost of living for the area. Honda is just pocketing a large profit because they have built a car worth the money people are willing to pay. Now instead of we as Americans complaining lets just buy their stock and make it American owned by shareholder majority! I do agree while unions when adminstered appropriately aid workers in benifits and safety the UAW is not administered appropriately and has caused the downfall of the BIG 3. Now lets get back on topic of buying experience/prices negotiated/latest details on the new model....
Sep 16, 2010 (7:10 pm)
Let's stick to Odyssey pricing, please...