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#951 of 2083 Transmission Problems
Oct 27, 2005 (6:50 am)
I have a 1997 Dodge Caravan Sport with almost 170,000 miles on it...it has been a great van for us and recently the transmission has been acting up. I am grateful the transmission has lasted thus far! My mechanic says they don't usually hold up this long...but what I'm wanting to know is when I'm accelerating (has happened at varied speeds), my van starts to "shutter", but if I lift off accelerator it stops, I coast momentarily, accelerate again, sometimes "shutters", sometimes doesn't...and I can keep going...also it does seem to mostly do this while going up an incline of any degree...but, has also done it on level surfaces...any idea what is causing this?
#952 of 2083 Re: Transmission Problems [cb2manor]
Oct 27, 2005 (10:58 am)
I had a 92 Grand Caravan that went 170k with the original trans working fine. I then donated it to charity. I used synthetic Dextron III in it from about 100k on, changing it about once per year.
I also had issues of a shudder on acceleration. On one occasion this was due to a bad CV joint. On another occasion, which behaved exactly the same way, it was caused by a bad spark plug wire. It ran fine, but mis-fired under acceleration. Also, the condition of the engine mounts seem to affect shudder..
#953 of 2083 Reasonable price for Transmission Flush?
Nov 01, 2005 (6:41 pm)
My wife took our 02 grand caravan in today for routine service and they told here the tranny fluid looked dark and it needed to be flushed and replaced.
They used Wynn's flush service. The total was 160 plus tax. Doesn't this seem high?
Also why should it have needed it? We have 42000 miles and the van is 3.5 years old. the only reference in the manual is to do it at 48000 miles if you tow trailers which we don't.
#954 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [indysabre]
Nov 01, 2005 (7:29 pm)
Hmmm, $160? Yikes, I had the transmission fluid and filter on our 1998 done just yesterday at a dealership no less for $110.60 ($54.00 Labor, $22.00 Trans Kit and 4 quarts of Automatic Transmission fluid 8.65).
Regarding your early service (Part 1)... IF the transmission fluid did indeed look dark and burnt, then yup, it should have been changed. The thing is that at only 42,000 miles with no obvious heavy duty service, I'd be highly suspicious of whoever told me that. Said another way, I'd want to see the fluid side by side with some new fluid.
Regarding your early service (Part 2)... I just checked the service guide for both our 1998 3.8 GC and our 2003 3.8 GC and noticed a marked difference in what services are called out for the transmissions. For the 1998, a complete flush and filter replacement is recommended every 30,000 miles (for Schedule "A", 15K for Schedule "B"). For the 2003 (which most likely has the same service schedule as your 2002), there are no such transmission flush recommendations.
#955 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [indysabre]
Nov 02, 2005 (2:45 pm)
Why did you have this "flush" done? What type of fluid was used for the flush? What type of fluid is in your transmission now? I am willing to bet that it's not ATF+4 which is the ONLY fluid that should be used. Your money would have been better spent for a pan drop, filter change and re-fill at the Dodge dealer. As you stated, this is not even necessary with normal usage, but I will have the service done at the dealer at 50 k miles for peace of mind.
#956 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [shipo]
Nov 02, 2005 (2:53 pm)
Older DCX vehicles, transmission service was required every 30, 000 miles. No where does it ever state that the transmission should be flushed. Newer DCX transmissions (ATF+4 factory fill) say no service required for normal usage, but to service at 48,000 miles under severe usage. Again, no where stated that a flush be done, just a pan drop, filter change and re-fill, like you had done for $110.60
#957 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [97xpresso]
Nov 02, 2005 (4:01 pm)
"Again, no where stated that a flush be done, just a pan drop, filter change and re-fill, like you had done for $110.60"
Hmmm, interesting. Acknowledged that the manual doesn't state that a "Flush" should be done every 30K, however, I did ask them to perform a "Flush" and on my reciept it says, "1 -- PKBGT -- BG Trans Flush -- $22.00". That said, now you've got me wondering, I suppose the indicator is how much trans fluid they used for the refill. Under the assumption that a complete flush (ie. draining the torque converter) would use more fluid than just a pan drop and filter swap, do you have any idea how much fluid should be used for either operation?
#958 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [97xpresso]
Nov 02, 2005 (7:16 pm)
The local dodge dealer did the work. They talked my wife into it, they said that when they checked the fluid it was browsish.
At this dealer, who I usually trust and like, they recommend the Wynns flush system. Apparently they drain, put in new fluid with the wynns solvent and flush it to get all of the old fluid and residue out. They then flush again with ATF+4 to displace everything with clean ATF+4. On the bill it showed 12 qts of ATF+4 used, a labor fee and 34 bucks for the wynns solvent / cleaner.
I'll admit that in theory it sounds good but I just thought the 160 was a lot and I wasn't thrilled that they talked my wife into doing it with out me hearing about it first (she had forgot her cell phone). I would have really questioned the need at 42000 miles and the total cost.
#959 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [shipo]
Nov 03, 2005 (3:22 am)
Post 958 says 12 quarts which sounds about right. A pan drop takes between 4-5 quarts. The dealer has ATF+4 in bulk drums, so they probably used a little more than the 4 quarts listed on the bill. Most dealers charge about what you paid for this routine service, sometimes they have $75 coupon specials.
#960 of 2083 Re: Reasonable price for Transmission Flush? [indysabre]
Nov 03, 2005 (3:33 am)
I am so relieved the work was done at an DCX dealer. When I saw "Wynn's Flush System", I assummed a quick lube place. $160 is not out of line if performed by a dealer with 12 qts of ATF+4. Even though the manual states no service (ever) required under normal usage, I will get my transmission serviced (not flushed) at 48,000 for peace of mind. Reading posts on this and other forums, some people go as far as changing the fluid (4-5 qts.)every other oil change! I guess it's cheap insurance if you do the work yourself and have the older (A604) DCX transmission