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#1620 of 1833 Re: 91 tranny [shipo] by fordfan_17 May 29, 2008 (6:11 am)
Replying to: shipo (May 29, 2008 5:56 am) at 1 time many years ago back in the early 90's i made the mistake of putting a pan gasket on a 604 transaxle that ended up goin back to the dealership for another issue and when the dealership noted the pangasket on the trans pan they voided that customers warranty.. that was then this is now but ever since then i have stayed on the factory guidelines. just to keep customers cars up to snuff   Cheers Gene Replies to this message: shipo (May 29, 2008 7:36 am) fordfan_17 (May 29, 2008 8:11 am) shipo (May 30, 2008 3:31 am) and 1 more...
#1621 of 1833 Re: 91 tranny [fordfan_17] by shipo May 29, 2008 (7:36 am)
Replying to: fordfan_17 (May 29, 2008 6:11 am) A few points...   1) Back in the early 1990s most non-dealership shops (and sadly to say, many dealerships as well) were not using the proper Mopar ATF, and as such, many dealerships (those that did use the proper ATF) took issue with transmissions that they hadn't serviced. The gasket instead of RTV was apparently a top-off to them that somebody else had service the tranny.   2) Had that transmission failed, it would have been up to the dealership to prove that it was the gasket that caused the failure, and failing that, most any court in the land would have forced them to honor the warranty. That said, if they could also show that Dextron or Mercon was in the transmission, then all bets would have been off.   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: fordfan_17 (May 29, 2008 8:11 am) shipo (May 30, 2008 3:31 am) fordfan_17 (May 30, 2008 6:34 am)
#1622 of 1833 Re: 91 tranny [shipo] by fordfan_17 May 29, 2008 (8:11 am)
Replying to: shipo (May 29, 2008 7:36 am) still doesn't change the fact that the "PROPER" service procedure for chysler front wheel drive transaxles calls for RTV and no pan gasket. thats why the pan is flat with no dimples and the case is machined flat also. nuff said on this subject   cheers gene Replies to this message: shipo (May 30, 2008 3:31 am) fordfan_17 (May 30, 2008 6:34 am)
#1623 of 1833 Re: 91 tranny [fordfan_17] by shipo May 30, 2008 (3:31 am)
Replying to: fordfan_17 (May 29, 2008 8:11 am) Sorry to bring this up again, but if the 41TE "NEEDS" an RTV gasket to be "PROPERLY" serviced, and reassembled, then why-o-why does Chrysler themselves make and sell a rubber transmission gasket?   https://www.dodgeparts.com/oe_parts_catalog.html (look up part number: 5011115AA)   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: fordfan_17 (May 30, 2008 6:34 am)
#1624 of 1833 Re: 91 tranny [shipo] by fordfan_17 May 30, 2008 (6:34 am)
Replying to: shipo (May 30, 2008 3:31 am) lets just put this to rest shall we.... go BUY and READ the factory manual sir. until then put this to rest.   cheers gene
#1625 of 1833 look at it this way by Mr_Shiftright HOST May 30, 2008 (10:34 am)
There is ALWAYS more than one way to solve a problem, so neither of you has to be wrong about it.   As my dear-departed father used to say (field engineer for Packard) when asked for his "proof" of a certain procedure, he used to say:   "My proof is at the end of my wrench". Replies to this message: shipo (May 30, 2008 1:25 pm)
#1626 of 1833 Re: look at it this way [Mr_Shiftright] by shipo May 30, 2008 (1:25 pm)
Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 30, 2008 10:34 am) He-he, good quote.   Best Regards, Shipo
#1627 of 1833 The plot, she thickens... by shipo May 30, 2008 (1:45 pm)
This just in, I've been apprised of existence of a TSB that addresses this issue.   ============================================================   TSB 21-05-99   DISCUSSION: A reusable silicone gasket has been developed to replace the RTV method of sealing the automatic transmission oil pan. Due to more frequent Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) change intervals and the possibility of the fluid foaming if it comes in contact with uncured RTV it is recommended that this gasket be used in all applications.   NOTE: THIS GASKET CAN BE REUSED UP TO THREE (3) TIMES.   PARTS REQUIRED: **1 -- 05011113AA -- Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 31TH** **1 -- 05011114AA -- Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 42LE** 1 ----- 05011115AA -- Gasket, Transmission Oil Pan, 41TE/AE   Form TSB-004 Rev. 1.05   DaimlerChrysler Corporation Dealer Technical Operations   ============================================================   It seems that it was true that RTV was the desired methodology for sealing the transmission oil pan at one point, however, it seems that this TSB has superseded the factory manual. Said another way, a silicone gasket is now the "PROPER" way to seal the pan.   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: fordfan_17 (May 30, 2008 1:54 pm) shipo (May 30, 2008 3:29 pm)
#1628 of 1833 Re: The plot, she thickens... [shipo] by fordfan_17 May 30, 2008 (1:54 pm)
Replying to: shipo (May 30, 2008 1:45 pm) well then i was right yet i was wrong geeze.. cant win for losing   cheers   gene Replies to this message: shipo (May 30, 2008 3:29 pm)
#1629 of 1833 Re: The plot, she thickens... [fordfan_17] by shipo May 30, 2008 (3:29 pm)
Replying to: fordfan_17 (May 30, 2008 1:54 pm) I can sympathize, I've been in the same boat lots of times. Ain't it annoying?   Best Regards, Shipo

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