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Re: Another hard down shifting problem [shipo]
by wannabemech
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Feb 11, 2007 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jan 31, 2007 8:26 pm)
You were right on the mark. I checked with a buddy that rebuilds transmissions for a living and he said the computer has to shift between the gears 30-40 times before it smoothes out. The other option provided was having it hooked up to his computer/analyzer and resetting the codes, which I had done...it works great now. Thanks for the assist.
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- #1271 of 1833
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Re: Another hard down shifting problem [wannabemech]
by shipo
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Feb 11, 2007 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: wannabemech (Feb 11, 2007 1:07 pm)
Cool, glad it all worked out. 
FWIW, when I put a new tranny on our 1998 3.8 liter DGC last Spring, it did shift rough at odd times for a couple of weeks, however, I kind of kept a mental log of each rough shift, and it never messed up the same way twice. I guess it just took a while to learn the weird environment in which I drive. 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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- #1272 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [97xpresso]
by mudra
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Feb 13, 2007 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: 97xpresso (Feb 11, 2007 8:08 am)
I checked the invoice on the Pepboys service-around 3K miles ago.
Under Parts it is mentioned:
10 Oz Black HFM Fluid
1Gallon Pennzoil Dexon III
32 OZ Clear ATF Flush
Looks like they screwed up big time. I guess I will have to fight it out with them tomorrow ?
I could go to the dealer and get a flush done but then if my tranny has gone bad pepboys get away with no damages.
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- #1273 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [mudra]
by shipo
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Feb 13, 2007 (7:55 pm)
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Replying to: mudra (Feb 13, 2007 6:17 pm)
Yup, PepBoys stuck it to you. Good luck getting them to fix the situation. :-/
Best Regards,
Shipo
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- #1274 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [mudra]
by 97xpresso
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Feb 14, 2007 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: mudra (Feb 13, 2007 6:17 pm)
3,000 miles is a long time to be driving with the wrong (deathron III) transmission fluid. You should get an ATF+4 flush ASAP at the dealer, it "may" not be too late. I doubt you'll get any response from pep-boyz. They are totally clue-less, but they did not do anything with malice. I'm guessing the "10 Oz Black HFM Fluid" is an additive, and how did they flush your trans with only "32 OZ Clear ATF Flush" I doubt they even stock, or know what ATF+4 is. Places like that should just stick to parts sales only, maybe tires and shock/strut service only, like Sears was forced to do after many Federal probes into their preditory service practices.
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- #1275 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [mudra]
by masterpaul1
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Feb 16, 2007 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: mudra (Feb 13, 2007 6:17 pm)
You can hold onto the Pepboys receipt and the dealer receipt in case you do have tranny problems. You will be able to prove that Pepboys used the wrong trans. fluid for your vechicle. You can even try to get a letter from the dealership, specifying what type of trans. fluid is only used in their transmissions. If you don't act now, the worse case scenario is the above. On the other hand, you pay for a complete trans. flush, cost about $150, and have no problems. I hope for the best for you. 
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- #1276 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [masterpaul1]
by mudra
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Feb 17, 2007 (5:43 am)
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Replying to: masterpaul1 (Feb 16, 2007 7:05 pm)
Well, I did go to Pep Boys yesterday and they said that Dexron-3 is fine. I told them that ATF-3 is the recommended one. So they checked with their Tech Support and came back and told me that the additive they had used with Dexron makes it compatible with ATF-3.
Long story short, looks like nobody did wrong except for me.
I called up the dealer to setup a tranny flush and the cost here in NJ is $230.(incl tax).
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- #1277 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [mudra]
by shipo
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Feb 17, 2007 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: mudra (Feb 17, 2007 5:43 am)
No, no, no. You were correct for being concerned and you need to take remedial action NOW!
Point 1: ATF+3 is Chrysler's very specific semi-synthetic formulation and no amount of any additive in the world will make Dextron (of any flavor) compatible with ATF+3.
Point 2: Even if they did put ATF+3 in you 2005 transmission, it will still get destroyed. Why? If you check your Owner's Manual, you will see that your van requires ATF+4, which is Chrysler's fully synthetic transmission fluid, and is backward compatible with ATF+3, not the otherway around.
Summary: Get that stuff out of your transmission pronto or you'll find yourself paying upwards of $3,000 for a new transmission. Once you get your tranny flushed by the dealer, demand that Pep Boyz not only refund the money you paid, but that they also pay for your flush.
Best Regards,
Shipo
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- #1278 of 1833
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Re: 2005 Town and Country 3.8L Transmission fluid change?? [mudra]
by 97xpresso
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Feb 17, 2007 (2:32 pm)
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Replying to: mudra (Feb 17, 2007 5:43 am)
Like I said, they don't have a clue, or even know what ATF+4 is. $230 seems very high, even for a dealership. Stay away from Paramus + Westwood.
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- #1279 of 1833
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Re: 2003 Transmission Problems [kendvm]
by superwoody
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Feb 22, 2007 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: kendvm (Feb 09, 2007 1:54 pm)
I also have 2003 T&C with a shifting problem (slipping) from 1st to 2nd. It's in the shop today actually. They (Suppose ably) replaced the torque converter, a pump, and some other things the 1st time it was in along with a computer update but it still has the problem. Did your shop make you pay the $100 deductible every time you carried it in for the same problem? Mine says "DC makes us charge the Deduc every time, regardless if it is for the same problem". That just doesn't sound right to me.
Is there a fix out there for this tranny problem????
BTW: This started at 50-55K miles, it now has 59-60K miles.
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