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#7429 of 8223 MPV vs. Nissan Quest/Mercury Villager
Jul 08, 2004 (12:58 pm)
I had (sigh) a 2000 MPV that I loved. It unfortunately was the victim of a red-light runner (I think -- insurance adjusters haven't gotten around to looking at it yet). It would appear that we're going to have to get a new van.
Ours was a LX with touring package. It had 91,000 miles on it and was scrupulously maintained. What would be a fair value for that car? Second, is a replacement Mazda the best choice now that we are forced into a replacement. Our Mazda was paid for as of June 15. I'm not finding anything comparable at our local CarMax. I did, however, find a couple of low-miles Mercury Villagers that were loaded... However, the offset crash results are giving me pause. I spoke with insurance agent and our rates would actually go DOWN with Villager. Why is this?
Anybody with experience comparing the two vans, please let me hear... I remember when we bought MPV, I was dismayed to see all the bad reviews -- but it's now (and has been) a CR recommended buy. I absolutely loved it when we lived in Florida. We later moved and encountered hills where the lack of power that was never even a factor before came into play at times.
Our other car is a 1994 Toyota Corolla (next in line for replacement until MPV crash). I'm trying to keep payment reasonably low as I figure Corolla won't last forever. So far, though, pretty good.
Thanks for any help / insight.
#7430 of 8223 Re: MPV vs. Nissan Quest/Mercury Villager [my2kidsdriver]
Jul 08, 2004 (5:13 pm)
If you loved your old Mazda I would suggest purchasing a new one. Mazda just raised their rebate from $3,000 to $3,500.You should be able to buy a basic LX for an out the door price of $20,000. Also, the 2004 MPV's come with a larger 200 horsepower engine.( I believe the larger engines were installed starting on the 2003 models)Which isn't as powerful as its competitors but does a pretty good job.You can get an estimate for your old car at Edmunds used cars(research)
My mother in law has a Mercury Villager and loves hers. It has the Nissan built powertrain...is pretty reliable. Should be able to get a really good price on a used Villager/Quest twin.(as opposed to the Hondas or Toyotas)Good Luck!
#7431 of 8223 Re: MPV vs. Nissan Quest/Mercury Villager [jipster]
Jul 09, 2004 (6:13 am)
Hmm. I'm not sure I WANT a new MPV (spouse's 1994 Corolla was next in line for replacement until crash). I don't know what I'll get from insurance yet, either. But raising rebate should depress prices of used MPVs (I hope!). Did the engine size change in 2002? I think that's when... I don't doubt the Nissan's reliability. It was the offset-crash test that made me hesitate. I LOVED driving it and liked the layout a little better than the MPV's (liked the built-in garage-door opener, back-seat mirrors, etc.) On the oher hand, Nissan lengthened minivan in 2000 (bad for parking in garage) and despite being longer and slightly wider than MPV, it manages to have less head room and cargo space. However, prices were really good ... and we are having to buy this knowing we'll have to replace spouse's car at some point...
Last, I think when our MPV was new (2000), it spent a lot of time at shop. Model was brand new and there were some things that needed to be worked out. After about the first six months, it was the car of my dreams. But not during the early days! Not sure I want to relive all that. Also, Mazda dealer near us has convinced us to go to the next one over -- they tend to order parts, schedule appointments, and fail to tell you parts haven't come in until after you've gotten up early and sat in their waiting room for a couple of hours... They left a trade magazine out and it indicated they were in top 10 for repair receipts. They were NOT in top 25 for customer satisfaction!!
So, I'm hoping for a Mazda that is ready to be cared for by local repair shop, mostly. (That was another thing that drove me to think about a Quest -- that and the fact CarMax hardly has any MPVs.)
#7432 of 8223 Factory sound systems
Jul 09, 2004 (6:36 pm)
I get a chuckle whenever someone says a certain factory system is "killer." Having years of experience selecting and installing aftermarket systems, I can tell you everything is relative to what you're used to. If you're used to listening to AM radio, or a system with a pair of cheap speakers, I'm sure one of the so called "premium" factory systems sounds "killer." I guarantee you for the extra amount you'd pay for one of those "killer" "premium" factory systems (and maybe even less), you could have a REAL killer sound system. My advice to anyone considering a premium factory system........don't waste your money!
#7433 of 8223 Maintenance requirements?
Jul 11, 2004 (7:03 am)
Ok, in the next month we will be in either the Kia or Mazda van. I would like to know how often the oil needs to be changed on the Mazda? Also, how often should the air, fuel filters need changing? Anything else need to be done as far as maintenance goes??
Jul 20, 2004 (3:42 am)
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#7436 of 8223 Re: hehe, no problem AJN [subearu] & ALL other MPV Owners
Jul 23, 2004 (3:34 pm)
FYI...I had that same PCV hose problem on my wife's van (sounded like a vacuum underneath the van). Took it into the shop, mechanic walks up to the van, immediately identifies it as a bad PCV hose, then tells me "yeah, its a design problem. The way Mazda installed the engine, the PCV hose is too close to the engine, so it ends up melting." I say this bcuz, yeah it was covered under warranty, but that warranty will end one day... Then what?
#7437 of 8223 16 month Update
Jul 24, 2004 (10:23 pm)
Well, I've had my MPV for this long now. Since I got the tran. fix deal back in January, it's been smooth sailing other than the CHECK ENG. light coming on once due to that PCV melt hose thing! Only complaint, like many others have stated are:
- Wish tuning on steering wheel went DOWN as well as up! Why didn't they design that to go either way!?!
- Driver controlled interior lights - switch to turn overheads off and on...like cars have had since I was born!!
- Power door lock ability on the PASS. door...yeah, they have it in 2004, but what bozo wouldn't have put it in from the initial design!? Vans/Cars have had power buttons on the PASS. door since the 60's!!
- MPG should be better with a 5 speed than it is. I'm getting 19 around town and 25 on highway. My old 95 DC got about the same around town but only 23 on highway.
Other than these issues, it IS a quality vehicle after 30K miles! Zoom-Zoom!
#7438 of 8223 our new MPV ... and its problems
Jul 24, 2004 (8:26 am)
We live in Georgia, which has decent lemon laws ... and we're documenting everything. They believe the problem was a defective air conditioner compressor. I'm still not clear on why the car would not start, but don't know enough about the workings of a car...
Our 2000 MPV was problem-free, so this has come as a complete shock. However, dealer should be motivated to make this work. They had to pay for a tow, then foot the bill for a week of rental of a minivan while we took a planned vacation. HOWEVER, I see bank has dinged us with an NSF fee as they presented check to bank during the 5-day holding period for a large check (we had an insurance settlement for a crash that totaled our first MPV). I hope they can do something -- the car we bought had four seaasons, which is hard to find here. It also had a moonroof, which was just nice ... and also the traction control and side air bags, which were mandatory as far as we were concerned (side air bag deployed during crash, bruising/cracking ribs and probably preventing something a lot worse).
I hope it's just a bad start ... it would be hard to sour us on MPVs, but this particular one seems to be trying hard!
I'm thinking we got a relatively good deal though -- paid $3K under invoice for a sunshine silver LX with
LX plus package
If it's running now, it'll be a good car, I hope. We had planned on keeping 2000 "until the wheels fall off" but never dreamed it would happen in an accident.
The dealership rented a Grand Caravan for us to vacation in (our MPV died just before planned vacation). Our opinions of it (2005, with 176 miles on odometer when we got it) mainly reinforced our decision to get another MPV. The finish wasn't as good and kids missed the working rear windows. It was larger and thus harder to maneuver. We DID like the separate a/c temperature controls for driver and passenger though. Stow 'n' gos would probably be of limited usefulness to us on a daily basis but were good on vacation. We didn't use the luggage rack (no need) and would have with the MPV, packing the same amount of stuff.