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You are in the Mazda MPV
What is this discussion about?
Mazda MPV, Van
Dec 01, 2003 (2:39 pm)
You're right, of course, you can only look at the data from the previous model year, and that's always the case.
However, since the van is basically unchanged from the 2002 model, you can get *some* sense of your risk from looking at prior model years (and that's as good as you're going to do).
Unfortunately, the last time I looked, they didn't have enough data on the '02's or '03's (not enough respondents in the survey that owned MPV's), so CR didn't publish the results for those model years (correctly, I might add, per accepted statistical methods).
So the MPV's reputation for good reliability, excellent in fact, is based on the 2000-01 model as far as CR is concerned, so far as I know.
Those model years had the 2.5l engine and the 4-speed transmission, so you can't really compare them for engine or drivetrain (but you can for pretty much everything else).
As mentioned by others, all you can do is get the best information available, make your decision and roll the dice. I understand that's precious little consolation if you're driving a van with problems.
I guess what I'm trying to say is try not to get down on yourself. You did what you could. Mazda will sort this out as soon as they can.
In a sense, Tomj5's theory that it's contamination is "good news". If he's right, for the cost of a power flush (small hundreds) you should be able to fix this permanently.
Maybe you can push Mazda/your dealer for covering this as an experiment ?
Hope this helps,
#7011 of 8223 Report to NHTSA?
Dec 01, 2003 (3:22 pm)
Should we all complain this hard shift of 2nd to 3rd gear tranny problem to NHTSA? I don't know whether this a safety issue strong enough to lead to recall.
I guess Mazda will get more problems if more Ford parts are used in Mazda cars.
Dec 01, 2003 (3:54 pm)
Might light a fire under them, so to speak...
I'd let NHTSA decide if it's a safety issue.
At a minimum, Mazda could and should be doing more by way of customer communication. Bad things can happen to any make or model. What makes the difference is how you respond to legitimate issues - or not.
Nothing makes people angrier than perceiving that they have a legimate and serious complaint, and the manufacturer just doesn't care. From what I've gathered (our van is fine, knock on wood), I think Mazda and its dealer network are guilty of not responding well.
As to Ford parts, the tranny is a Jatco. The only Ford component is the engine block. I think even the ECM is Mazda's.
Dec 01, 2003 (4:06 pm)
Yes, you should report these problems to them. I believe it was in last weeks paper that NHTSA refused to issue a recall on the Ford Focus stalling issue. They said that they didn't think that it presented a safety issue. I guess all of the Focus owners are stalling while in the owners driveways.
#7014 of 8223 Re Seating
Dec 01, 2003 (4:09 pm)
If you like the MPV otherwise but need to occasionally haul gear with 5 people on board, one option is to get a van-top carrier.
#7015 of 8223 Dito to brianV
Dec 01, 2003 (4:13 pm)
I completely agree with brianV. Although, as a prospective MPV buyer, the fact that Mazda can not come up with a solution to fix the tranny problem really bothers me. When the problem being carried over to 04 vans, that really means Mazda really doesn't have a clue how to deal with it. I don't mind to take a chance, if I can only send the car to dealer to get the problem fixed. But the things are, first, it is not easy to reproduce the problem for dealer to acknowledge the issue. And, second, even if they do realize the problem, they have no idea how to fix it. Then what can you do? brianV, I really like everything you said. They make a lot of sense to me. But, I am really having second thoughts on buying a MPV.
#7016 of 8223 Sample size
Dec 01, 2003 (5:16 pm)
IMO, some relevant (and perhaps unanswerable) questions relating to this transmission issue and its affect on prospective purchasers:
How many MPV's have been sold in the model years affected?
Of that number, approximately how many people have posted here indicating a problem?
What is the likelihood that a substantial number of additional people have experienced the problem but have not found this forum to express their concerns?
And, bottom line, what do we suspect to be the approximate percentage of vehicles in affected model years that have experienced the "hard shift" issue (i.e., how "unlucky" are those that actually have it)?
It strikes me that some discussion of whether this forum presents a -relevant- sample size is significant to anyone considering a purchase of an '04 without more definitive info from Mazda. Is there a significant silent majority out there who have this van and have experienced no tranny problems or should we expect that the problem exists in a high enough percentage of vehicles (say, over 3-5% of those sold) that there's a reasonable likelihood of experiencing it?
#7017 of 8223 not silent here ;-)
Dec 01, 2003 (5:51 pm)
'02 ES, no tranny issues. a few minor sulfur smells during months 2-4 of ownership, none since.
there are other sites out there, I know of one such club that I participate in as well.
#7018 of 8223 Re sample size
Dec 01, 2003 (6:27 pm)
Another question we could ask is, of the number of owners of '02-'04 MPVs who have posted here, how many are having the hard shift problem? I think that would give us a better idea of the scope of the problem than comparing the total number of owners to the few who have posted here regarding the problem.
I have to say that I was very close to buying an MPV, but the tranny issue made me re-evaluate that decision. So I've ordered a Prius, to get in line (fully refundable deposit) and will decide in the spring which way to go. Maybe by then the hard shift problem will be licked.
#7019 of 8223 Re: Sample size
Dec 01, 2003 (8:30 pm)
In regards of lumbar's comment, a lot of questions were asked to imply the tranny problem occured in very low percentage of total MPV sold. But nobody really know whether it is just a minor issue. One thing I do know though that I was in a couple dealers in Chicago area. Each dealer has only a few (3~4) 04 MPVs, and none had been sold from either places. As Mazda and local dealers have not spent any effort to promote the 04 and very limited number of MPVs are in dealer's hands, I doubt very much how many of the 04 have been sold so far. Yet, there are people posting tranny problem from 04 already. I don't think it is just some minor issue.