Last post on Dec 14, 2011 at 1:46 PM
You are in the Mazda MPV
What is this discussion about?
Mazda MPV, Van
#6363 of 8223 MPV mileage versus others
Aug 21, 2003 (7:03 am)
wheelz4: You hit it right on. Mazda should do something and soon about the 'lousy' mileage their van gets,especially considering the engine is smaller and weight is less. Someone is sleeping in their engineering dept. Even my 2001 with the really small 2.5 engine gets less mileage than the much larger engines in the Sienna and Ody. This is imo a very big issue, considering our dependence on foreign oil and with gas prices rising. But Mazda is really behind the curve here.
BTW, the split rear seat issue is probably going to be similair to the lack of a power lock switch for the passenger door which took 4 years to correct. Again, Mazda is a little slow.
Aug 21, 2003 (9:20 am)
Yeah, that is one thing which is not so dandy about the MPV. For mostly city driving we get about 18-19MPG (on long trip it was 23-24MPG), same city mileage I get on my '99 300M.
I guess that the mileage on the MPV is what it is due to the Ford engine, American engines are thirsty suckers (no pun intended).
I know that each buck counts, but the difference for us, if the mileage would get better as on the Sienna would be less than $200 per year. Put it in the perspective that we blow that amount in one run to Costco, I see it not as significant anymore. Calculate in the difference between price of the MPV and Sienna, lets say $2000 and you can drive the (worse MPG) MPV for 10 years to get on the price of the (better MPG) Sienna.
Just for fun, following picture actually makes MPV's current MPG pretty darn good. http://www5.plala.or.jp/MPVGALLERY/img20020828161834.jpg
For the rest take a look here.
Aug 21, 2003 (10:01 am)
lazyfox......like the "7 seater" convertible!!!
I can see your perspective about the mpg....it's just that you're reminded about the lousier mpg everytime you fill up. I think the problem IS the Ford-designed engine......remember reading a few weeks back that Ford is redesigning their engines because of uncompetitive fuel economy.
Anyway, until someone comes out (in North America)with a 6 seater mini-minivan/sport van (see Honda Stream/Mitsubishi Grandis/Mazda4/VW Touran/Toyota Wish), the MPV is still on our shopping list.
Aug 21, 2003 (11:16 am)
Those MPVs are really cool!
Think about brand recognition and better sales if Mazda would dress-up MPVs like that!
It would almost make minivans cool!
#6367 of 8223 YEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 21, 2003 (11:51 am)
Howdy Yall! Like 2 intro myself..me'n the missus're proud new owners of '02 MPV ES..since we got it, found this here msg board..went back to start of conversation on '02s and read all way to latest msgs today (3 days..yes i have a j-o-b, but your discussions were that riveting 2 say the least)..anyways, just wanted to say, glad 2 be able to join the discussions of MPVs...u guys r so passionate about your vehicles..i like that..i'm a car nut! reading, working on (although I don't, wish i new how)...anyway..want your opinions on whether i got ripped off/not..here goes...purchased:
'02 MVP ES: std w/ all std 02 ES stuff; no moonroof, spoiler, 6D CD changer, foglights, or DVD (want DVD tho for 6yo daughter).
Had 11,200K miles, paid $20,860 + ttl, warrant (gold pack, extd from 3/50 > 6/100) & gap ins..total = 24331.44 at 4.1%/72mos. pmt = 385.20/mo. 1st pmt not due for 3mos.
Good deal or bad?
forgot to mention..no money down, no trade in either.
Aug 21, 2003 (12:35 pm)
actually, Sienna/Ody have Variable Valve Timing (or VVT w/ Intelligence = VVTi or sum other variation)..this, along w/ fact that engine parts probably made from different (maybe lighter, stronger or better metals, etc.) makes for better fuel efficiency = greater fuel economy (however, also more expensive to manufacture and repair, hence > cost of vehicles). MPV makes do without VVT in engine (so do Kia/Hyundai engines), so gas mpg not as good..VVT allows better breathing/operation, which means better fuel/air mixture, which means optimum mpg, more power, torque, etc.
american engines are thirstier than others cuz design/operation/manufacture of engines aren't as advanced as foreign counterparts... y invest more money to make better engines when millions buy your crap u make 4 cheap? that wouldn't be smart biznis-wise, and despite poor ratings of american vehicles, cheap prices makem sell like flapjacks to most of us debt-riddened, hardworking types with low Fico scores (not us anymore, but fixed that) and ignorance of wheeling'n'dealing...talk about slow to change, America created the car craze (not the car itself..thx Mr. Benz 4 that) a century ago, and is still bhind tech-wise!
#6370 of 8223 only $200 more
Aug 21, 2003 (12:58 pm)
ladyfox: take that $200/year over 5 years and you have $1000 more in your pocket instead of burning it. and lets not forget the interest,compouned daily at a whole 1% gives you an extra $30, enough for another fill up. better yet, over 10 years you save $2000; and over 100 years $20,000!.by then the MPV should get at least 30mpg on the highway if G.W Bush IV is president; but about 130 mpg if Al Gore tIV is pres.
Aug 21, 2003 (2:27 pm)
As I indicated in my initial note, since buying our '02 ES on 8/7/03, I've been sucking up the info in the MPV2000+ threads like a slurpee thru a straw (3 days of nonstop reading)...anyway, while reading the threads, noticed a while back a wish list was started on what we MPV owners would like Mazda to include, std or opt, on next model yr MPV..i'd like to get the ball rolling on that discussion again..maybe we can get a comprehensive list and submit it to Mazda somehow..anyway, here goes:
keyless remote starter
remote window feature (up/down w/ fob 4 hot days!)
passenger-side door lock control
more power (WASHU engine plz..would even settle
for MAZDA6 engine 4 right now)
rvw mirror w/ compass/temperature reading (sorry..
used to it now since buying my camry)
split-folding 3rd row (now standard 4 MV category)
stability control (in absence/instead of AWD 4
optional step bars (makes access easier for small
children/elderly despite currently low step-in
navigation (at least an option..dashboard sure is
REDESIGN THE FRIGGIN' SHIFTER NOW! (also make the shift detents firmer..currently too easy to shift out of gear)
trip computer, mpg reading, tire pressure monitor
panoramic-view interior mirror (a la Windstar/new Sienna..to C who is
telling the truth about who hit whom 1st!)
tracks on bottom of 3rd row seat (so that when its folded in the floor
2nd row seats can be adjusted fore/aft as needed.
power liftgate window (Toyota started it 1st by stealing roll down
side windows..tit for tat..'sides, Mazda started with front/side
windows..may as well finish the rest of the windows).
#6372 of 8223 sebr0d1e
Aug 21, 2003 (5:42 pm)
MPV makes do without VVT in engine (so do Kia/Hyundai engines)
Actually, even "lowly" Hyundais (or some of them) have VVT engines now. Since Hyundai shares engines with Kia, Kia should get it pretty soon too.