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#3198 of 8223 about to take the plunge...
Apr 23, 2002 (8:01 pm)
I need some quick answers as I'm under pressure to plunk down deposit and get my Sage green ES located:
1. I negotiated to $300 over invoice for ES w/Moonroof,4 seasons, fogs,rack,bumper, 6-disc. Am I paying too much? Someone mentioned $1 over. Any dealers in the NYC Metro region offering this?
2. What is S-plan? Even though it "seems" to be discontinued on MPV, how did one get it? $15 below invoice? sounds tasty.
3. Any opinions on lease vs buy? My concern with buy is the resale values on the 2000-2001 MPV's are CRAPPY. Huge depreciation if you browse Kelley's or Edmunds.
4. Does any one else realize that Mazda is totally suckering any buyer who can't wait to order a MPV with all of these ridiculous options/add-ons? I only want the Moonroof with Sage, but nothing is available UNLESS you spend for pathetic options like 4-Seasons (what's wrong with the regular battery and wipers) and a 6- disc changer!!!!! This stinks. Realistically, with all of this stupid garbage tacked on, the MPV ES is not much less than an Ody at full sticker!!!
Unfortunately, my wife is allergic to parallel parking and god help those around her if she had to manuever that boat.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Apr 23, 2002 (11:05 pm)
We've had our shimmering sand LX for over a month now(took delivery 03/02)with no problems and it has exceeded all of our expectations. I, like most people here educated myself a much as possible before making any offers. Got ours for 1% over base invoice. We wanted only LUX and Security packages in sand color so I did the legwork via the MazdaUSA site(yeah real legwork!) and located one at dealership 56 miles away from home. My salesman didn't even know the other had it but he swapped for it and it was driven in that night. Apparently it was FOB because it was still wrapped in plastic in and out and unprepped with 59 miles on it. Yes we did have to pay for the usual "option" choices and I mean the roof rack and bumper step but no big and they're useful. Which brings me to another point of the real choices you have with these. One could order from Mazda exactly the van you want but you would have to wait at least six weeks for it is what I was told.
In my opinion and understanding of economics, one large factor that determines resale value, therefore including depreciation rate, is market demand of any vehilce on question. Real world reliability performance has a soft directing hand in of it as well. Marketing image does too. Keep in mind that popularity breeds unto itself which is why you see so many people buying into the whole Odys and Town&Countrys and Camrys and Accords sensation that these are the best out there for you. Anyways continue to learn as much as you can before you buy. Be firm, its your money so you're in the driver's seat as to how and where your deal will end. Good Luck.
Apr 23, 2002 (11:54 pm)
An unbalanced electric fan can give quite a shake, but I don't think it would affect the brake pedal. Have you taken a look at you tire pressure?
#3201 of 8223 Sedona review
Apr 23, 2002 (11:57 pm)
In the front page review of Kia's Sedona, the editor mentions that the only two vans available with 5 speed transmissions are the Kia and the Odyssey! <g>
Despite the overall good review, the mood on the Sedona thread is no longer glowing. Reality seems to be settling in.
#3202 of 8223 prlamz RE: Edmunds error AGAIN
Apr 24, 2002 (5:37 am)
prlamz good point I caught it too 5 speed auto transmission error. I think credibility of Karl Brauer (the author)in the future reviews will be questionable. He should also mention that peoplefirst.com (car financing company) will not finance KIA. Why? Anybody take a wild guess?
Apr 24, 2002 (6:55 am)
Sure if you don't mind giving me the phone number. I know what you mean about the wind noise. We were driving at about 60km/h (about 35mph) and the wind noise is so terrible that I had to close it and use the tilt instead and that just isn't the same as a fully open sunroof. And you were doing 80mph with the sunroof open? Wow, that's amazing. I have to get one soon before summer comes. If it ever get here, it was snowing again last night in Calgary. Oh well.
Apr 24, 2002 (7:03 am)
I live in NC and recently purchased an MPV ES under the s-plan. Some dealers tried to charge me doc fee. I contacted the NC Attorney General's office for clarification. They told me that dealers in NC are not supposed to charge doc fee under the s-plan if the rules don't allow. Apparently a speaker from the AG's office was misquoted several years back and some dealers still think that they must charge those fees to everyone. Of course it's in their favor to do so, because it's money in the dealer's pocket. I did pay a $25 dealer fee and $30 fee to Mazda but I can live with that.
#3205 of 8223 Sedonna Review
Apr 24, 2002 (10:04 am)
Has this guy driven the 2002 MPV? True the MPV doesn't have the most useful of storage areas but I get a kick when I accelerate off the line and beat out the other minivan next to me!
Anyway, I'd like to see the reliability data for the Sedonna after a year. I'm real comfortable with our 2002. Over 2000 miles and no problems!(knock on wood )
Apr 24, 2002 (10:11 am)
Don't know if the dealer would give you any kind of competitive discount, especially if you do not live near the other dealer, but if you go to www.fitzmall.com, and look up their vans, they list prices from $100.00 to $400.00 over invoice. (Which makes no sense, but others have purchased from them at the lowest price.) I live close enough to about 10 mazda dealers to buy from them, but I work 2 minutes from one, so I would prefer to buy from there. My plan is to take the printout from www.fitzmall.com and see if that dealer will give me the $100.00 over invoice. If not, then I will just go ahead and buy from Fitzgeralds. (No arguments, they already have a price listed!) Not everyone is lucky enough to live within 40 miles of 10 competitive dealers. (If 40 miles seems a distance, I commute 45 miles everyday one-way, so it is a walk in the park for me!)
Good Luck! (Hang in there, unless you will be walking to work if you don't buy, then you have nothing to lose, and the dealer has everything to gain!)
#3207 of 8223 RE: about to take the plunge... by doublel9
Apr 24, 2002 (10:49 am)
$300 over invoice is a fine price. I mentioned that $1 over deal at the local Arlington, VA dealership, but I have NOT tried to buy at that price so I don't know whether it's just a marketing ploy.
S-Plan is only available to certain group of people whose employers have close ties to Ford. You most likely can't get it.
Leasing MPV is a terrible idea precisely because of what you mentioned: low resale value. I paid $10 to get quotes on leasing an MPV at leasewizard.com and resale after 3 years is shown at around 45%.
Buy one, the rates are very low.
I don't know what you're talking about regarding the options. I could've had an ES without the changer or 4-seasons. They told me it might only take a week or two to get one like that. I did want both of these options, however, because they are useful to me.