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#2564 of 8223 2001 : Good Price?
Jan 31, 2002 (12:59 pm)
A dealer is offering a 2001 MPV LX with the following options:
- 4 Seasons Pkg
- Dual A/C
- Touring Pkg
- Roof Rack
- Fog Lights
- Bumper Step Plate
The MSRP is $26,630. He is offering it $4000 below
MSRP at $22,630. Is this a good price?
Also, can anyone attest to the long term (>100k miles) reliability of recent Mazdas, especially the automatic transmissions?
Jan 31, 2002 (1:20 pm)
According to my fiddlings on Edmunds' TMV, that price is about $1,800 below invoice, nice! Edmund's puts the invoice at roughly $24.5k, if I'm correct. Does anyone know the current rebates on the MPV? Bottom line, I think that's a pretty good price at first look.
#2566 of 8223 autosafety.org web site
Jan 31, 2002 (2:33 pm)
I looked over the www.autosafety.org WEB site to see what the
hub-bub was all about regarding the AP news article that ranked the
MPV minivan as one of the vehicles with the highest number of
complaints. It appears that they might be lumping together all of
the years since the vehicle's introduction. I saw a lot of stuff
from the late 1980s and early 1990s. For recent years, they
mentioned that the brake clunk sound that I noted in my last post
had been the source of some complaints. However, since I did not
read the book cited by the article, there is no way to really know
what data the author used to base his judgements on.
For people considering the MPV, forums like these at edmunds.com are
more valuable than articles by researchers who might be very biased
and report a slanted interpretation of some set of statistics.
Jan 31, 2002 (3:07 pm)
Nader biased? say it isn't so!!!
#2568 of 8223 lol, tongue in cheek,
Jan 31, 2002 (4:07 pm)
The 2002 Ralph Nader...unbiased at any speed...
This spring, at a lobbyist near you...
#2569 of 8223 Recall??
Jan 31, 2002 (10:15 pm)
Where is that link for recalls? I just received a recall for my '01 CE; ...brake system does not meet stopping distance with partial failure...".
Did I miss this earlier? (since I never look at the mail exceot for bills - I almost chunked this).
#2572 of 8223 Biased Researchers?
Feb 01, 2002 (6:37 pm)
I think this biased researcher hypothesis is a little bit on the paranoid side. Why would the researchers be biased against Mazda or the MPV? If it was anti-Japanese bias or anti-foreign car bias, there would be no reason to pick on Mazda over Toyota or Honda or Nissan. I can't think of anything reason consumer advocates in general or Ralph Nader in particular would be biased against Mazda. (Ford maybe, but then you'd expect the Windstar to get hit as bad).
A more likely occurrence is a methodology that's applied fairly to all the cars, but unintentionally favors some cars over others. For example, it might hold past problems against a care, even if they are no longer relevant in the current model.
I haven't seen this years book, but I think this is one of the studies that breaks down the score into several factors, assign weights, gives each car a score on each factor and adds them up. Though this is a very common methodology, in a lot of ways, it stinks. It assumes factors are independent and additive. Instead of one subjective judgment (e.g. I give this car a 9.5) you make one for each factor. Then you add a subjective weighting. Even in computed factors like mpg, cost and acceleration the relationship between the measurement and the points given is subjective (If we give 10 points for 0-60 in 5 seconds, what do we give for 12 seconds? 5? 2? 1?)
So what you have is a large number of subjective decisions wrung through a formula, and somehow because you've assigned numbers - maybe even to two decimal places - your result is seen as being more objective.
A good rule of thumb is to never attribute to ill will that which can easily be explained by incompetence.
#2573 of 8223 Red2001 - from a Red2000, VCP for van
Feb 01, 2002 (7:35 pm)
We just made many a long distance trip in our MPV (over Christmas from Chicago to Austin, TX and back) and 3 weeks later from Chicago to Kansas with 2 kids. We just bought a new Video player from Target to use in the van that worked great. It is one of those bag ones that hangs by straps between the 2 front seats and the kids liked it. I was concerned because the screen seemed small (at 4.5 inches) but it was fine. We actually have another TV/VCR (9 inch) that works in the car too but it was just too bulky to really work (especially when you are travelling with lots of stuff anyway). So we bought this one for somewhere between 300-350 dollars at Target. I highly recommend it - easy to hook up, stays safely in place (important to me) and keeps the kids entertained.
By the way, I can't believe they aren't making the 2002 in red - are they nuts? It is the best!