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Mazda MPV, Van
Oct 30, 2001 (11:13 am)
I have found the 2001 Mazda MPV for $5400 under MSRP price and the 2002 Honda LX for $24,000 (660 under MSRP.) Getting a similarly equipped MPV will run about 20,000.
I know the Honda is bigger and has a bigger engine, but I don't think that alone is worth quite $4000. Anyone have any thoughts about whether the Honda is worth the extra $4000? I am especially interested in repair time/cost.
Oct 30, 2001 (2:34 pm)
I'm of the opinion that the Honda is not worth the extra $4k, or I would've worked harder to buy one back when I shopped for a van and decided to buy an MPV. In my book, that extra $4k comes out to about another $70/mth (similar to my mocha budget), and that'd make it harder to justify to me than thinking of it as $4000.
Certainly, resale value, and residual will probably be higher on the Ody (it's a Honda afterall), but figure out if that's ultimately most important in your buying decision.
I've noticed that Odys aren't up to the std that you'd think of a Honda. A good friend of mine has one and remarks that it is "less reliable than" his "1995 Windstar was." That's not good to hear after remembering those troubles. The MPV has a few issues, but not to the magnitude that I've read of regarding the Ody. I've read their problem boards and seen troublesome transmissions, sketchy engine performance and mileage, wide-spread problems with automatic doors opening of their own accord (pun not intended), and my friend's has a ton of rattles after 20,000 miles while my 2000 MPV has no rattles (except the stroller in the back) after 20,000 miles and is just now going in for its first "problems," a loose vanity mirror door and squeeking rear brakes. I'm working hard to convince you.
#2249 of 8223 We drove the Odyssey
Oct 30, 2001 (3:43 pm)
And were basically underwealmed. For all the press hype about the Odyssey, it didn't seem to be all that great.
The only thing was it was faster.
I didn't need faster. I needed smaller than the DC van we had.
We could have waited to order a new Odyssey since our Grand Voyager only had 25K on it and was still under warranty for another 6 months when we began our shopping.
We didn't feel it was worth the premium price for an average equipped van.
#2250 of 8223 Honda vs. MPV, watch resale value
Oct 31, 2001 (7:08 am)
templeton12: I agree that overall the MPV is a better or at least equal van to he ODY,with 2 exceptions,one major and the other not so major.
First the more minor issue,power. The Ody clearly has more of it and the 5% of the time you want it,it will be there.This is a personal decision. Also,this indirectly has an effect on the next point.
The single biggest advantage to the Ody is Resale value. It will be MUCH HIGHER on the ODY,that is a fact. Check the used values on Carpoint or Edmunds or even with other auto dealers including Mazda, which will prove this.I do not believe it is fair,but it is very real.
That being said,the $4000 difference is hefty. It will also depend on how long you expect to keep the MPV,if you keep it for 6+ years and 90k mile,then the difference will not be too much;however if you trade it in 2-3 yrs from now, the advantage of the MPV is less. Also,the monthly payments need to be considered. Isn't this car buying stuff fun?
I personally have enjoyed our 01 MPV the first 6k miles with no problems.My wife loves it. Consider what you like best,and also if you want to deal with those greedy Honda dealers and wait 5 months. Good luck.
#2251 of 8223 Honda vs. MPV
Oct 31, 2001 (8:10 am)
templeton12: I was in the same situation 6 monthes ago and I chose MPV.
$ wise, I think both will cost about the same for the period (~6 yr) I will own the van. Sure, the Ody folks will tell you how great Ody's resale value is, but many of them forgot Ody's price tag is much higher, 70$ worth of Java beans more each month to be exact.
Power wise, yes, there are 5% of time I want more. But I bet no matter what van you choose, those 5% of time will alway be there, because they are just "vans", not sport cars.
The deciding point for me is its size. We only got one girl and not planning for more. Ody is clearly too big for us. Also, it is easier to park anywhere, especially in my garage. The extra space it left make it easier to get in and out of the van.
Go try out both vans for yourself and make sure it's most suitable for you not some critics from some auto magazines:)
#2252 of 8223 I agree with drc67
Oct 31, 2001 (10:45 am)
Buy what is most suitable for you. We bought the 2001 Ody EX. We have two children, a large dog and we travel a lot. The MPV was just not an option for us because of its size and we did feel it was underpowered. We have had no problems with our ODY and have 24,000 miles on it. We paid under MSRP for it and feel the Ody is worth the price we paid.
#2253 of 8223 hey, no fair...
Oct 31, 2001 (12:39 pm)
..Ody owners lurking on the MPV boards! Just kidding calg!
When we shopped for our van, it was sorta easy to do back-to-back comparos, since the same dealership sells both the MPV and the Ody. However, in the case of the Ody, they had only one on hand, and it was "pre-sold" so we weren't even allowed to unlock it, just peer thru the windows, and could put a deposit down on one. The major factors that sent us across the street to test drive the MPV (many times) was cost, we thought the Ody was bland inside and it actually is too big to fit in our garage). Also, reliability was an issue with us as well as my low opinion of Honda's paint quality in past years.
We really liked the layout of the MPV and it was just the right size and we thought the styling was much more interesting than the Ody, as well as reading how the MPV handled much better than other minivans. It does handle very well. I didn't care that it can't do 14sec 1/4s or 0-60 in under 11secs. However, these were opinions, so you'll have to decide for yourself there.
Oct 31, 2001 (3:50 pm)
I too prefer the size of the MPV over that of the ODY. The handling of the MPV is great. The addition of the 3.0L V6 will be a big plus. Now we just need to convince Mazda to provide a 3-seat 2nd row bench so you can seat 5 people with the tumble under 3rd row seat stowed away. I have a family of 5 and the 2-seat second row is a problem for me. Otherwise, I really like the MPV.
Nov 01, 2001 (12:27 pm)
I have not followed this forum for several months and recently read the Edmunds review of the top 6 minivans in which the MPV placed 6th. I wonder what other readers think. If this has been covered earlier, please direct me to the approximate location on the forum.
My MPV is 16 months old, has about 12k miles, far too early to draw definitive conclusions. While I'm sure Honda and Toyota are fine vehicles, they cost alot more up front. For this reason, I'm not sure it's a valid comparison. These vehicles are priced with sufficient differences that they may not really serve the same market segments.
With all the awful reviews I read of the GM vans in 2000 when I was shopping, I cannot believe they are now listed in the top 6. Even more unbelievable is who on earth would pay 34k for a Pontiac?! That's worth repeating, what kind of moron would pay 34k for a Pontiac??!!
The reviews for the Chrysler vans in 2000 were only slightly less horrible than those for the GMs. Consumer Reports went so far as to say don't buy one. That was good enough for me.
Ford was also significantly more expensive than Mazda in my search. So I compromised, I bought a van with a Ford engine and transmission for less money than a Ford.
This entire review process puts too much emphasis on engine power and not enough emphasis on utility. My 2.5L MPV drives nicely at 65-70 mph and I have had zero problems merging from on-ramps. After 10k miles the transmission smoothed considerably and seems to find the appropriate gear at the appropriate time, as it should. The seating configurations, interior storage, roll-down windows, numerous cup-holders etc. are more important to me than power.
Having driven a 92 Caravan 3.0L 6 cyl. for over 9 years, (118,000) miles, with few problems, I can attest the MPV doesn't have as much power and gets no better gas mileage (the only truly valid criticism) but it is bigger than the Caravan and certainly not too small as the reviewers claim. This is supposed to be about "mini" vans isn't it?
The only other issue I have with the MPV besides gas mileage (22 hwy, 16 city), is oil use. My old Caravan needs only about 1/2 pint at 1000 miles before the oil change at 2000 miles. The MPV consumes about 3/4 quart during the 2000 mile interval. That's not a good sign. I'm also going to stick with my plan to service the transmission every 18k, twice as often as the manual recommends.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the MPV LX. I got what I paid for, about 23k with sales tax (invoice price with no destination charge). I plan on driving it for another 15 years barring accident. I hope it's the last minivan I ever feel compelled to own. I think it will be.
Nov 01, 2001 (3:44 pm)
I'd like to second something Tholman mentioned about power. No, the MPV isn't the fastest car I've ever driven, not even as quick as my 94 Voyager. But I have yet to feel in the least threatened by its alleged sluggishness. I confidently dart through two lanes of traffic every morning across a road on the way to work. That's not something I'd risk if I were worried about getting T-boned in the process. When we took it down South this summer--two 200lb adults and enough luggage for four platoons on maneuvers--it got to and cruised at highway speeds without a hint of a problem [though winding out the engine merging onto super highways was scary on the ears]. I regularly carry three and four adults up and down the steep hills around here with nary a complaint about its supposed lack of power.
Would it be more fun for me with a larger engine? Of course it would. I'm an American: you could put a Saturn V rocket engine in it, and I'd wonder if it would do better with two. But is it "underpowered?" Not in my eyes.
Call it power "Lite."