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#9859 of 12250 Re: 2007 Toyota Sienna Limited ...(53,500 miles) [ateixeira]
Jan 29, 2010 (10:46 am)
My dad just dumped their sienna they loved it but after dealing with runflat issues they sold it. They pack the three kids in a SUV now which has a proper spare tire and get this good tires that don't wear out at 20,000 miles and cost $1000 to replace. Don't get me started on when they got stranded when the run flat failed and no replacement could be found for over 24hrs.
The Runflat tire was a marketing ploy that only helped Automakers cheap out on the cost of engineering a proper spare tire storage location. And by going runflat they placed a very large running cost on the operator. Smart move on the Auto makers side increase your profit margins and push the cost of improper tire application onto the operator.
Run flats are only a good tire for vehicles that are not likely to travel long distances and run the risk of having a massive tire failure at high speeds resulting in an accident etc. A two seater sports car comes to mind as the type of application where a run flat would be appropriate.
#9860 of 12250 Re: 2007 Toyota Sienna Limited ...(53,500 miles) [watkinst]
Jan 29, 2010 (11:04 am)
marketing ploy that only helped Automakers cheap out on the cost of engineering a proper spare tire storage location
That doesn't make sense...
Think about it - my Sienna does have a spare. So they did have the cost of engineering a spare tire location - AND the expensive of taking that out.
It's even worse than what you were saying.
#9861 of 12250 2011 Sienna Prices - $500 - $1500 over invoice is the range
Jan 29, 2010 (4:26 pm)
Let's keep the numbers coming on quotes - we're all in this together.
So far I think someone said the Costco program was +700 over invoice. This is +1500. Obviously going to depend by region - I'm guessing in big metro areas (like the bay area) where there's huge number of dealers nearby it's going to be closer to +500 over invoice, and in smaller regions perhaps +1500.
I'm hoping for an XLE with the nav package (but not ent) for +500. If I get that deal, I think I will pull the trigger, though want to test drive first!
#9862 of 12250 Re: 2011 Sienna Prices - $500 - $1500 over invoice is the range [hitchens97]
Jan 29, 2010 (5:00 pm)
One can always just call or email around to all the dealers.....yes let's get those quotes going and if I get any I'll do the same.
So anyway, I started doing a side-by-side of the 2011 XLE with the 2010 and it looks like the price has risen by about 2,000 for the similar features (I realize its not exactly apples-to-apples, but just sayin....)
I like how they keep throwing out that the "base price is actually lower" but sort of gloss over the fact that that is for a 4 cyl vs last year's 6 cyl
One other question - what is with the 2 inches less legroom in the 2011 seats vs 2010, when cargo room is actually a bit higher. Are the seats a little larger/plusher, or is there a measurement difference?
#9863 of 12250 Re: 2011 Sienna Prices - $500 - $1500 over invoice is the range [hogan773]
Jan 29, 2010 (5:30 pm)
Another interesting options piece - no entertainment package is available for the LE as an option if you go through the Edmunds TMV process. Seems strange they would have left that out as an option. I expect the LE is going to be the most popular model.
#9864 of 12250 Re: 2011 Sienna Prices - $500 - $1500 over invoice is the range [hitchens97]
Jan 29, 2010 (7:12 pm)
Very surprised that they wouldn't sell you a $2000 DVD even in an LE, although maybe they think it will spur people to only consider the XLE or Limited. Yeah I'm struggling a bit between LE and XLE - I want to see both. The wife thinks leather cause its easier to clean, although I'd say that for $2800 difference one can afford lots of good upholstery cleaning spray! But the heated seats are something I use quite often in my Honda Pilot. I'm 50/50 on the moonroof. I must say that the current "wood" trim in the 2010s and prior is so FUGLY in my opinion (no offense to anyone that has it) - its way too light and fake-looking. The pics of the 2011 make it look darker so maybe it will be acceptable.....too bad its not an option to NOT get it though. I've never understood the whole "wood equals luxury" in cars.....
Jan 29, 2010 (7:28 pm)
Yeah my wife wants the leather and I want sat nav so the xle is the only one that fits. There's something about the le having easy clean upholstery... I think the no ent system option on the LE is a huge miss imo. Not that it matters to me - the kids can look outside at trees like we did when we were their age.
#9866 of 12250 Re: xle [hitchens97]
Jan 29, 2010 (7:48 pm)
Funny you say that - I have been thinking the same thing. I am worried that by having a built-in DVD I will now have to hear whining EVERY TIME we get in the car unless I pop in a DVD even if we're just driving for 5 minutes across town....I'm thinking of skipping the DVD factory option and potentially getting aftermarket. The whole 16" thin-wide double screen seems a bit weird, and for <$1000 I could get a great system installed.
#9867 of 12250 2011 Limited awd
Jan 29, 2010 (7:58 pm)
Just ordered a 2011 Limited AWD - Pre dawn grey mica with premium package and preferred package. MSRP - $45,184 have a signed offer sheet for $42,500. They estimate 6-8 weeks for delivery. One local dealer wouldn't budge below MSRP on this new "hot" model. The other said they might discount $1000.
#9868 of 12250 Re: xle [hogan773]
Jan 29, 2010 (8:24 pm)
I think a couple of portable dvd players at $100 does the trick. Not to mention everything will be blueray soon