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Re: 09Sienna XLE with Package no. 4 [saber40] by phairphair
Jan 02, 2009 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: saber40 (Jan 02, 2009 6:18 am)

Tariq:
 
Do you mind if I ask what you expected for the promise of "free services"? Two free oil changes sound like "free services" to me.
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Toyota Sienna Prices Paid and Buying Experience by ashtan
Jan 02, 2009 (1:57 pm)
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Hi Everybody, Did anyone buy a 2009 TOYOTA SIENNA XLE AWD in the Boston MA area recently. We are looking to buy one with package #3. What is the maximum price that we can pay for this.
Thank you.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) [turo0002] by waldin
Jan 02, 2009 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: turo0002 (Jan 01, 2009 3:25 pm)

I think thats a good deal. Any deal thats keeps your OTD cost below 38,800 with 0% apr for an AWD is a good deal. Try to include all weather mats. Also you need to know that AWD does not come with a spare wheel.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) [turo0002] by phairphair
Jan 02, 2009 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: turo0002 (Jan 01, 2009 3:25 pm)

Do you mean $36,383 +TTL? If you are OTD at 36K then you are several thousand below actual dealer cost.
 
We were looking at the same car with a quote of $36,400 but got cold feet on the AWD due to all of the bad reviews. If you can forego the AWD, consider a loaded XLE. You can get virtually all of the same features in FWD for about $6,000 less.
 
The only things the XLE lacks compared to the Limited is memory seats, automatic wipers and laser cruise control. We didn't think that those were worth $4,000. We bought this car for $30,800.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) [phairphair] by waldin
Jan 02, 2009 (9:37 pm)
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Replying to: phairphair (Jan 02, 2009 6:37 pm)

yes, I meant $36,383 +TTL. I do agree with you about the AWD reviews. My cousin has an AWD and he changed his tires after 25K miles. He was told that the quality of rubber used in runflat tires is different from the regular tires and is more prone for early wear and tear.
 
In addition to the memory seats, automatic wipers and laser control as you have rightly mentioned
some of the standard featues on Limited in comparision to XLE are:
int day/night automatic rearview mirror
ext day/night automatic electrochromatic mirror, fold them with push of a button.
heated front seats
parking distance sensors
power sunroof
front fog lights
stability control ( not available on XLE)
High intensity discharge lights
daytime running lights
power folding third row (only in FWD)
17 inches alloy wheel.
 
If you are getting these features as a package with XLE then you can cut a great deal.
 
For people currently in the market, I think dynamic laser cruise control is a great feature mostly offered in new luxury cars. This is in addition to your regular cruise control. This feature is very helpful on the highways where the laser keeps the safe distance between you and the front car by matching the speed.
 
Good luck to all the future owners.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) [waldin] by phairphair
Jan 02, 2009 (10:30 pm)
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Replying to: waldin (Jan 02, 2009 9:37 pm)

I have these items you listed on my XLE:
 
heated front seats
parking distance sensors
power sunroof
stability control (where did you see it isn't available? Mine has it)
daytime running lights
17 inches alloy wheels
 
You can double check on Edmunds, but with EVP#4, I believe that only the wheels were an additional option.
 
IMO, the day/night mirrors aren't necessary with the tinted rear window. The HID lights were available in an additional package, I think.
 
It's totally a matter of preference as to whether the missing tech features are worth the money. I have most of them on our other car, and think most are either a pain in the ass or gimmicky. But like I said, it's just my opinion.
 
I still would advise potential buyers to compare and contrast the Limited with the XLE before they buy, however. In the end, the "Limited" tag on the rear is the most expensive option of all.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) by hause7
Jan 03, 2009 (12:51 am)
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Replying to: waldin (Jan 02, 2009 9:37 pm)

Stability control is standard on all models since 2008. We had an 04 Limited AWD and now have a 07 Sienna XLE FWD with all options and the only option we miss is the laser cruise and front parking sensors but wasn't worth the extra $4-5K.
 
With AWD all you have to do is take off the stock run flats and swap on regular tires, that's what we did. Carry a spare in the rear well of the van on long trips.
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) by Brewtus
Jan 03, 2009 (10:58 am)
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Replying to: phairphair (Jan 02, 2009 6:37 pm)

Just wanted to make sure I read this correctly because if I did then our latest offer is a bit above that. We're looking at an 2009 XLE Sienna with EVP#4 and options:
AW 17" Aluminum Wheels
LF Fog lamps w/Day Time Running Lights and Windshield Wiper De-icer
CF Floor Mats/Door Sill Protector
TO Tow Prep Package
 
Best offer so far is $31,000 + TTL
 
I guess I felt pretty good about the offer until I reviewed the dealer invoice and noticed all these additional fees. When added up they total just under $2,000. It seems to me that that is an awful big profit. I feel like there should be more give on the dealer's part.
 
Destination Charge $745
Gasoline $16
Dealer Holdback $595
Dealer Advertising $ 345
Financial Reserve $297
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Re: Thoughts on price 2009 XLE Limited AWD $36, (excluding TTL and rebates) [Brewtus] by phairphair
Jan 03, 2009 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: Brewtus (Jan 03, 2009 10:58 am)

Destination charge isn't profit. It's the freight charge from the port to the dealer.
 
The advertising fee apparently is charged by Toyota corporate (during Toyotathons) and not kept by the dealer.
 
I believe their profit margin is represented by the holdback and financial reserve only. Of course, this is gross profit and does not take into account the overhead of operating the dealership and keeping dozens or hundreds of cars in stock.
 
If you can get a quote of a few hundred below invoice, I think you are doing extremely well. Any lower and they wouldn't be making anything.
 
I paid 30,800 for the exact car you're referring to, but w/o the LF package, so it looks like a good deal.
 
I am usually able to get another hundred or two off just by telling the sales manager directly that I will by the car right now for my final price. Their biggest fear is that you'll take their best cost and walk to use it as leverage against another dealer.
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2009 XLE EVP#4 $31,000 by Brewtus
Jan 03, 2009 (12:03 pm)
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Hello Everyone:
 
Struggling with the offers I've been receiving to date. It seems that either I'n getting a fair, not great, deal or I'm getting a very bad one depending on what the actual dealer invoice is for the Sienna I'm looking at. Any input would be very appreciated. This what I'm considering:
 
2009 Toyota Sienna 2WD
Trim XLE
Manufacturer Code 5346
Base Invoice $25,563
Options
AW 17" Aluminum Wheels $104
LF Fog lamps w/Day Time Running Lights and Windshield Wiper De-icer $144
CF Floor Mats/Door Sill Protector $163
TO Tow Prep Package $176

Equipment Packages
QN XLE Extra Value Package #4 $3,312

Total Options and Packages $3,899
Total Invoice Including Options and Packages $29,462
 
Fees:
Destination Charge $745
Gasoline $16
Dealer Holdback $595
Dealer Advertising $345
Financial Reserve $297
Total Fees $1,998

Total Invoice Including Fees $31,460
 
Dealer's Best Offer so far: $31,000 + TTL
 
Depending on what you read all the fees seem to be everything from BS to negotiable to legit. Again, thanks for any insight you could provide.
 
Southern Califorina

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