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A long time ago I started to wonder about why there is so little interest on Sienna CE. Most Sienna owners I know choose much more expensive version like LE with alloy wheels. Just today I read on Boston Sunday Globe about NHTSA's pending regulation on mandatory Electronic Stability Control ( ESC), and Ford and GM's decision to install ESC on all vehicles by 2009 or 2010. That made me feel very bad to choose a CE or LE without VSC. Just like nobody today will select a car without ABS, even though millions of drivers live happily without ABS, I simply do not feel comfortable in leaving out this safety feature claimed to be the most important after safety belt. Study after study indicates the effectiveness of ESC/VSC, and NHTSA estimates the cost of ESC to be $111 on top of ABS. All these information cast a negative image on Toyota, which bundle this crucial and inexpensive technology with other non-safety features, forcing customers to pay two thousands more. CE Package #2 with VSC is reasonable at MSRP $1,345, Invoice $1,077, but has never been available at dealers. LE Package #3 (or above) has VSC, but costs MSRP $2,795, Invoice $2,236. I understand that Sienna is excellent all-around. Even compared to its closest competitor Honda Odyssey, Sienna has an interior much more pleasing and luxurious. It just beyond my understanding that Toyota is willing to play such a low-class marketing tactics to announce a seemingly price-competitive model (CE and LE without VSC), and use such an important safety feature as ESC/VSC to block any intelligent customer from actually buying these models. In my view, that is bait-and-switch on a global scale.
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All of these are very worthwhile safety features, in my opinion. My wife loves her minivan even though we're no longer toting kids around in it. The six or seven passenger capacity still comes in handy for road trips to Atlantic City and the like, and she likes being "up above" much of the other traffic. We've owned two Chrysler products - a 1996 Town and Country and currently a 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan. We'd love to consider a new Dodge or Chrysler but frankly the fact that they lack such important features at any price rules them out completely. No wonder DCX is anxious to dump them. Don't be too hard on Toyota for not offering those features on it's low end models. I'd venture to guess that most if not all minivans in the low 20's don't have them available. |
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I was offered a Honda Odyssey LX for about $21 - $22K, Odyssey's lowest trim. It has Vehicle Stability Control built in. Kia Sedona has VSC built in too on all the trims. But its engine/gas pedal response is too erratic to my preference. I feel sad that I had to rule Kia out. To be honest, my wife strongly prefers the interior of Toyota Sienna. I was also attracted to that. We are willing to pay more for the luxury. We are ready to accept certain amount to packaged feature for features we want. But paying above $2,000 for a safety feature costing several hundreds is beyond our way. Well, we are out for more negotiation and see if we have to bite the bullet. |
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Replying to: dongliu (Feb 19, 2007 9:26 am) Hyundai, Kia, and Honda make it standard. fitzmall.com is a good place to compare, since they have both Hyundai and Toyota, and I'm finding about a $4-6 grand difference to get what I'd want. Try a Hyundai Entourage Limited, it's supposedly a bit nicer (luminescent gauges, more sound insulation) than the Kia and maybe the throttle mapping is smoother. -juice |
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| Can someone share the current price for extended warranty for a Toyota Sienna. My Sienna is still under the 3yr warranty and I have around 22K miles on it. | |
I currently own a 2004 XLE Limited and wish to buy the same 2007 vehicle. I would like the Package 4 (HID and laser cruise). I live in western New York and according to one dealer there is no such vehicle within 300 miles. Every one has the DVD with package 4. Supposedly this is how Toyota builds them. So I can go with the DVD that I have no use for, forget about package 4 and just get a Limited, or try to order one - which could take 16 weeks or more. This dealer also quoted price at 6% over invoice - which to me is a little high. Any thoughts?
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Replying to: jm38 (Feb 23, 2007 7:39 am) There's a $500 rebate in MD, $1000 in some other areas, so check that, too. -juice
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Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 23, 2007 8:25 am)
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Does anyone knows if CE comes with Power Windows ? Edmunds.com list CE with Power windows as standard features. However, Toyota.com shows that CE does not come with Power windows (not even an option) Can someone help ? Thanks
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Replying to: duggu (Feb 24, 2007 12:29 am) |
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