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Mazda MPV, Van
Jan 20, 2001 (4:03 pm)
I've had a couple of Contours with Duratecs, including my current SVT Contour (200 HP 2.5L Duratec.)
This is a Ford designed engine. Any Mazda sales person who tells you otherwise is lying to you because he fears your dislike of domestic engines.
The engine was designed for the CDW-27 platform by Ford. The cars we've seen from that platform are in order, the Ford Mondeo (Europe only), the Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique, and the Mercury Cougar. (Yup, the Cougar is essentially a two door Contour, he he.)
The engine was designed using a process developed by Cosworth, (Pretty famous in racing circles) to cast in the cylinder sleve liners into the aluminum block.
The version of the Duratec used in the SVT was on Wards Automotives 10 best engines list for 1998 and 1999, producing 80hp/litre.
We have members at www.contour.org that have 150K on the Duratec, without much drama.
Things to watch for:
1. Choice of oil filter. I noticed an earlier poster here had trouble with timing chain tensioners and mentioned using Fram oil filters. If you look at the Ford/Motorcraft FL-820S, you will notice a silicon anti-drainback valve. The Fram filter does not have this. So, if you use a filter that doesn't have this valve, you will notice some valvetrain noise at startup. It usualy doesn't continue, but can be avoided with a good quality filter.
2. Water pump. Early duratecs (1994-1997???) have plastic impellers in the waterpump that would crack and become ineffective. (Wouldn't pump any more.) It seems there are some metal impellers available as replacement parts. Also, the newer water pumps appear to have a different plastic, so they may not be a problem.
If you are really worried, change your pump at 60K miles. It is actually pretty easy to do.
3. Some reports of oil starvation and engine failure. Remember, these are the Contour drivers who are taking 30MPH exit ramps at 70+ MPH. It seems that under very spirited driving, you can cause the oil pump pickup to no longer be submerged in oil. Do that long enough and you have metal on metal, which is a very bad thing. However, it is unlikely that you can toss your van around the way a Contour/Mystique or Cougar can on a track or long sweeping Right Hand Exit.
Keep your eyes on the Supercharger kit Vortech just released for the 2.5L Duratec. That will be the ultimate test of reliability.
Jan 20, 2001 (8:00 pm)
I am about to buy a 2000 MPV, but have read with dismay some problems with child safety seats. I am buying this so my 2 children can sit in the second row-both need car seats/boosters. Please update me on any problems and how they were resolved. Thank you.
#672 of 4469 Re: no4mkii engine troubles
Jan 22, 2001 (11:28 am)
I agree with Tboner that FRAM filters should be avoided, at all costs. I've heard way too many horror stories about Fram products. My indi-mechanic likens using Fram filters to using a coffee filter for your oil. Your best bet is to stick to the factory (yes, FoMoCraft FL-820S) oil filter, it has the anti-drainback valve built in for your filtering pleasure. The factory filter isn't expensive either, I believe it's about $7. Isn't it Fram's slogan, "pay a little now, or a lot later"? heh heh, right. Maybe it's Purolator's slogan, anyway...I use Mann brand filters on my other cars, but I don't find a fitment for the Duratech, so I stick to the factory one.
It sounds like maybe your chain tensioner failed, which is rare, but not unheard of for any car manufacturer. This would not be an oil issue, since the chains don't slosh through the oil pan.
The 2.5 duratech should be a pretty bullet proof workhorse for our needs. It takes a lot of abuse in the CDW-27 cars on and off the track and comes back for more. I'm not a huge fan of domestic products, but having known that Cossie was involved in the development of the motor is always been a confidence booster.
Let us know how things turn out for your MPV. It's good to know that the service dept. at your dealership is taking care of you.
#673 of 4469 Child Safety seats - ours fit rock solid
Jan 22, 2001 (1:17 pm)
Boy, I know that child safety seats can be a real headache (and some are much harder than others to install!) We have had great luck with our seats and have had them checked at a safety seat inspection and passed with flying colors (one of only 5 for the whole year!)
First of all, I can not believe that Mazda told someome that you can not use child seats in the second row since that is where they have the tether anchors! We have our seat installed in the second row captains chair on the driver's side with the tether anchor. (Mazda installed this for free, the part cost $7 and looks fantastic. It has a nice cover when not in use and matches the interior. The floor mats also have a pre-cut area for where the anchor is located).
I have posted this information before but it seems like there are some more people who need the info. We currently use a Fisher Price Safe Embrace convertible seat in the forward facing mode. It was extremely easy to install. However, it was not as easy when we had it rear-facing but a tech at a child seat clinic did it with no problem. We were advised to use some shelf liner to keep the seat from sliding on the leather seats. I know that others use the Safe Embrace that post on this board and also have good fits. The seat doesn't move! We also tried the Maxi Cosi Priori and it also was easy to install and fit great. (The Maxi Cosi is a forward facing only seat for babies from 1 year and 20 pounds up to 40. The Safe Embrace is a convertible that rear faces up to 30 pounds and forward to 40).
When she was an infant we used the Century Smart Fit infant carrier seat with the base. I found this seat also fit very well but had to use a piece of a pool noodle to get a good angle (this is approved by the safety experts by the way and passed a check also).
Yes, the seats belts can cause problems with some car seats but there are also some car seats that are notoriously hard to fit in many cars (the Century Smart Move and the Century Breverra booster seats are ones I am well acquainted with). I had the Breverra booster with a previous car and have heard that techs really complain about their fit (or lack of) when using the harness but they fit better as a belt positioning booster.. So, my point is that there are seats that work and you might just have to try them out first (Toys R Us will let you do this by the way). Toys R Us sells the Safe Embrace and it is a great seat that is highly recommended. Also, a great source of information is the ParentsPlace.com car seat discussion board that includes a link to a database with info on what seats fit in what cars (and which ones don't).
I just looked up booster seats in the database and the following are recommended as good fits:Cosco high back booster, the Graco Cherished Cargo and the Century Breverra Contour when used as a belt positioning booster. Someome reported that the Century Next Step booster was NOT a good fit at all.
Please don't despair that you can't fit a child seat well in this van - it might take a different seat but it is possible. I am adamant about installing a seat so that it doesn't move and feel very comfortable with this van.
#674 of 4469 Bosch Microedge wipers
Jan 22, 2001 (7:25 pm)
Drew_host or javadoc:
On your recommendation I ran out and picked up a complete set of Bosch Microedge wipers (not refills) for my '00 MPV ES. While it was quick and easy to replace the liftback's 16" wiper (I used the replacement's adapter that was already mounted, I hope that was correct), replacing the 24" front wipers is another story. I believe I have the correct adapter mounted on the wiper assembly, but I cannot get it to snap onto the MPV's wiper arm. [Apparently others have had some problem with that same adapter type since I have encountered broken ones in two separate packages that I inadvertently purchased from an allegedly unsuspecting store.]
Any advice on the proper technique for mounting the replacement Bosch Microedge wiper assemblies without breaking the adapter would be appreciated. [When I asked a Pep Boys' employee for assistance, he replied that he had no experience with Bosch wipers, and that he only uses Trico because then he doesn't have to deal with adapters.]
Thanks in advance for any insight.
Jan 23, 2001 (3:27 pm)
I'll check this when I get back to chateu de javadoc tonight (wife has van...won't give it up...) and confirm this, but did you try flipping the clip 180 degrees? If I remember correctly, I attached the wiper to the adapter, then manipulated the whole thing onto the arm, and it confused my pea brain at first because it appeared to go on backwards, and I almost broke it the first time, as ham-fisted as I am. I sympathize with you entirely.
Am picking up a set for Rolf (the Volvo in my stable) tonight since the wipers on it are shot and I'm driving in rain/snow/hail slop this week, yuck. So I'll figure out the exact procedure and post it for you.
Jan 23, 2001 (10:14 pm)
I just got my 2000 loaded ES back after 3 weeks at the dealer. It has 15K miles and I've had it for one year. On the day after Christmas, it dumped all it's oil and froze the engine. It needed a complete engine replacement; the dealer said it would cost $6400 and that he wouldn't pay. Said it was due to a faulty oil change and that "You are on your own". The oil had been changed by Oil Can Henry's 3 weeks earlier with no sign of problems. Inspection after the failure showed that the oil filter had expanded in size due to an over oil pressure condition in the engine. After great help from the Oil Can Henry Rep, Mazda agreed to pay; but they didn't make it very easy. I have not been pleased with the van overall; the engine performance is just too weak and noisy. Slow acceleration in traffic borders on dangerous. Also the general build quality and materials seems below par; thin carpet and broken plastic pieces. It was clear that my dealer's main interest was in deflecting blame and not standing behind his product. I hope to be able to sell the van now that I have it back if I can handle the large depreciation loss. I was a proud owner of a 1989 MPV van for 11 years; I think buying this new one was a mistake.
#677 of 4469 javadoc--Bosch Microedge adapter
Jan 24, 2001 (8:11 pm)
I found out what one of the problems I had with mounting the Bosch wiper assembly was--I was trying to use the wrong adapter; it which was too deep [thick] to fit in the hook of the wiper arm. But what made me choose that adapter was, from the instruction diagram I thought the other adapter was only for Mercedes Benz; besides, it looked so strange and unlike any wiper adapter I had ever seen before. In fact, it took a friend and me together to figure out how to work that adapter. And his father used to work for NAPA auto parts!
I can't believe you and Drew thought installation was such a snap. I may have to remove and reinstall that adapter on a weekly basis so I don't forget how it works, for the next time I need to install new wiper blades again. <g>
Jan 25, 2001 (5:44 pm)
Well, you see, I would've grabbed the Mercedes adapter first, because the MPV is "the Mercedes of minivans" and I've seen a post where someone's MPV was mistaken for an ML320. lol!
j/k...Glad you got it all sorted out. I hadn't had a chance to check the wipers yet and get back to you, the router on the home network was being a pill.