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#1078 of 2391 drew - I still can't get there
May 21, 2001 (9:49 am)
I have also tried Internet Explorer in case it was something in my Opera browser that is causing the problem, but no luck.
I simply cannot get to the reviews section. No mention of a section called "reviews" occurs on the home page I get (www.edmunds.com). All I see is the option for "road tests."If I click that I am taken here:
The main title says "Automotive Reviews."
On that page I select "Long-Term Road Tests" and am taken here:
On this page I select "2001 Dodge Grand Caravan" and am taken here:
And that is as far as I can go.
I see no mention of a "Reviews" section until I come to the Town Hall Community page:
at which point I see the options "Home, New, Used, Reviews, etc." along the top to the right of the "Select Topic" item.
But if I click on "Reviews" I get a "File Not Found" message with the suggestion that I only bookmark the Edmunds home page - which I did.
I simply cannot find or get to any section that has the word "reviews" in its URL.
I am open to suggestion.
#1079 of 2391 dwgutwir - ES questions.
May 21, 2001 (10:07 pm)
Hopefully someone else can give you better answers, but here's a start.
1) I believe the 90/10 distribution is under non-slip conditions. It will dynamically change as needed under slip conditions.
2) You said you were considering the AWD. I don't believe you can get the 'normal' or the 'touring' suspensions with AWD -- you get the load-leveling and height control suspension. To get touring (17" wheels not 16") you'd have to get it as an option (or in a package) on the plain ES model, although you could get traction control as an alternative to AWD.
Just to make it more confusing, you can get the load-leveling and height control as an option on the plain ES. But you'll have to check whether you can combine that with the touring wheels (I don't know).
A source for this is http://us.media.daimlerchrysler.com/special/minivan_2001/caravan_features_e.htm
As far as handling is concerned, I can only tell you that my 2001 ES AWD rides a bit stiffly when unloaded. On the plus side, it corners very nicely (for a mini-van, anyway!).
Except for the resonance I have at 2100 rpm, I can't say enough good things about the vehicle.
Hope this helps a little.
#1080 of 2391 More on Two Questions on ES
May 22, 2001 (5:33 am)
I knew the split of the AWD was 90% front/10% rear under non-slip conditions, but nothing I've found disusses how much it will vary in slip conditions.
As for the suspension, I think a more accurate question is how does the touring suspension differ from the suspension in the AWD model?
Rolfe - did you compare a FWD with the touring suspension to the AWD before your purchased your van? I'm leaning to the AWD for the improved bad weather traction, but want the best handling I can get even if it means giving up the AWD.
I was going to go for the load-leveling suspension regardless of which model (FWD or AWD) I eventually decided on.
Now, if they'd only offer the 2nd row buckets with the integrated child seat and the 50/50 third row with leather I'd be all set. I also wish I could get both captains chairs with the built in kid seat. Does anyone know what DC doesn't? I don't want a second row bench - too much loss of flexibility.
May 22, 2001 (6:48 am)
"Now, if they'd only offer the 2nd row buckets with the integrated child seat and the 50/50 third row with leather I'd be all set."
This is an option, at least on the limited.
May 22, 2001 (9:52 am)
The AWD system employs a viscous coupling centre differential and thereotically transfer up to 100% of the power to either axle. You'll probably get about a 50/50 split on snow roads though, as needed. I have found this system to be generally effective.
You have to be careful on split-mu partially snow covered uphill surfaces. I have been able to get stuck (when starting from a dead stop) on my sloped driveway when one side of the vehicle was on the snow, and the other side was on the plowed surface. Due to the front and rear open differentials, power was leaking to the side with the least resistance; wheels on the side with traction were not spinning at all. I had to back down the driveway and take a run up. I will admit that I tried to get stuck on purpose though Of course, the 2WD vehicles wouldn't have been able to make it up at all!
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#1083 of 2391 Response to msg #1019
May 22, 2001 (11:09 am)
cgaydos - you are partly correct (if my information is correct). The configuration available on the Ltd T&C is second row buckets with the integrated child seat and a third row bench with armrest. We want the 50/50 split seat for increased flexibility for people/cargo hauling.
#1084 of 2391 Response to msg #1021
May 22, 2001 (12:59 pm)
I just looked it up, and you're right. The option you want, "Intermediate Quad Command roller bucket seats with 1 child seat and rear deluxe 50/50 split 3-passenger bench", is available only on the high-end LX (2K package) and low-end LXi (2R package).
However, there's a good chance you can talk the dealer into a swap as long as you stay within the trim line. For example, you could buy a Limited with the quad-child and full bench, and swap the rear bench with a split-bench Limited. Depends on the dealer ... I did a similar swap with mine (traded the split bench for the sliding full bench) before inking the deal, and the dealer had no problem with it. However, I've heard other dealers won't agree to this.
#1085 of 2391 Neighbor just got a Red T&C LTD with second row buckets and child seat with the additoin of a 50/50 seat. (N/M)
May 22, 2001 (1:07 pm)
May 22, 2001 (2:38 pm)
Tues., May 22nd: "Road Rage: What's up with that??"
#1087 of 2391 I still think the pre-1996 DC minivans had better front seat comfort, etc. than later, re-designed models
May 22, 2001 (3:11 pm)
Yesterday, I sat in a 1994 Grand Caravan SE of my niece. Both the driver and front passenger seats are MORE comfortable than our 1999 GC SE. The place to rest feet in each seat is also more comfortable. There is much better access to the engine compartment for service. The windshield wipers are in tandem and not the goofy flip-flop of 1996 and later DC minivans that GM made popular with their "dust-buster" disasters.
Why do auto manufacturers abandon a winning style?
In my opinion, DC would have been MUCH smarter to have refined the pre-1996 design by making the window glass flush and made an evolution instead of the radical change for 1996. DC could have added 2nd sliding door, etc to the more overall practical design they had. DC could also make more profit per vehicle without wasting money on a complete re-design by adding the nice features to an existing winning style.
GM made a radical design change with 1990 Impala and killed off one of their popular sedans.
Ford lost sales with radical change of Taurus a few years ago.
DC designs become less appealing to me each change starting with 1996 and now 2001. Thus, our very lovely 1999 GC SE will probably be our first and last DC minivan and based on 26 months and 27,414 miles with zero problems, it will probably last us a VERY long time. No other maker has the many nice features of DC and now DC took off the Trip Computer on all but GC ES and T&C LXi and Limited.