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Aug 20, 2001 (8:26 pm)
No, my family and I are not in a 2001 DC minivan. As I've said numerous times before, we have a 2000 Chyrsler Town & Country LX. In no way am I trying to "readily dismiss" the "questionable" results of the 2001 Dodge Caravan. However, I do not feel as though a minor fuel leak in one of many performed crash tests warrants this kind of paranoid "anti-Chrysler" response, especially from Honda Odyssey owners.
Even if my family and I were driving a 2001 Chrysler Town & Country (pre-july) instead of a 2000, I would not be nearly as concerned and frantic about this issue as others here are, such as GATOGONOW and SCOYLE1. I've also asked my dad about how he would feel if our van was an affected 2001 model. As my dad points out, a fuel leak can occur in any vehicle and in any crash.
Do the Honda Odyssey owners here feel as though their vehicle are immune to a fuel leak? If so, I have news for you. It's not. I'm rather possitive that if you took a 2001 Odyssey and crashed it into a certian object, at a certain angle, and at a certain speed you just may get similar if not worse results than the 2001 DC minivan tested by the IIHS.
If this is such a horrendous problem, than why haven't we heard of numerous DC minivans suddenly exploding into flames after a real-life crash? Surely out of the thousands of pre-july DC minivans out there, some if not many have been involved in serious accidents. And please do not tell me there have been such instances in the past but the report was covered up by greedy and devious Chrysler lawyers.
If this was such a serious problem as GATOGONOW would like us to believe, than the government would FORCE Chrysler to reacall it's minivans. That hasn't happened yet and probably never will. Why? Simply because there is no need to recall over 400,000 minivans because a minor fuel leak occured in one test of out of many performed by both Chrysler and the IIHS.
2000 Chrysler Town & Country
Aug 20, 2001 (11:03 pm)
"I'm rather possitive that if you took a 2001 Odyssey and crashed it into a certian object, at a certain angle, and at a certain speed you just may get similar if not worse results than the 2001 DC minivan tested by the IIHS."
I believe that is not the point that the IIHS is trying to make. The whole point of having crash tests is that the variables are controlled and the results can be compared to other vehicles. The point is that in this particular test, a test which is representative of a serious real world collision, and a test that is replicable in other crash test facilities, this '01 model had a problem. In over 150 vehicles the IIHS has tested since 1995, only two have had fuel leaks, IIRC. The Isuzu Trooper (which was immediately recalled) and the '01 Chrysler minivan.
"If this was such a serious problem as GATOGONOW would like us to believe, than the government would FORCE Chrysler to reacall it's minivans."
This is easier said than done. Any recall has to involve safety issues, and extensive investigations have to first be conducted by the NHTSA. The fact that the fuel leak occured with in a non-government crash test probably delays this even further. My '94 Chrysler minivan was recalled a few months ago for a steering wheel that could seperate from the column in a collision. Look how long it took them to conduct the investigation, discover the problem, and then recall the vehicle.
A fuel leak is not to be trivialised since it only takes a couple of drops of gasoline and a stray spark to ignite. Considering the fact that minivans are family vehicles, owners who are gravely concerned are justifiably so. Fortunately Town Hall is a place where owners can air their thoughts and feelings on this matter.
As an aside, if the '01 van did not have a fuel leaking issue, we would all probably be discussing the van's "Marginal" IIHS rating.
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#774 of 4276 Will they or not?
Aug 21, 2001 (4:48 am)
It is my belief that Chrysler will eventually recall the affected vehicles. It will be either because of the NHTSB, or publicity that effects image or sales.
A lot of people looking for a mini-van come to these boards looking to see what current owner think. I intend to keep the idea fresh that Chrysler is not a company they want to deal with. The vehicle is unsafe and they refuse to recall it until they are forced to. It is how they have decided to treat their customers.
It is my contention that Chrysler knows it is a safety defect or they would not have immedicately changed it on current vehicles as well as the 2002 model year.
Comsumers, spend your money with someone that deserves it. Chrysler has abandoned current owners on this major safety issue and will do the same to you in the future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#775 of 4276 Check the pictures
Aug 21, 2001 (8:50 am)
If you go to the IIHS site and look up the DC tests, you will see the picture of the leaking tank.If you look closely at the enlarged version, you will see that the tank is removed and tipped at what appears to be a 45 degree angle to show the leak area. They stated that the flange that leaked is on the TOP of the tank. Unless the laws of physics change liquid cannot flow uphill! So the tank could only leak under the following conditions: 1. Full tank (including filler neck) and a 40 mile per hour crash. Just pulling out of a gas station or within 20 miles of a fillup. 2. 40 mile per hour crash with van on its side or roof. And remember in the first test it did not leak. The government mandates that on a rollover crash no fuel should leak. Let them make the decision. You should not top off your tank if you are worried until this is resolved.
#777 of 4276 Service Engine Soon Light
Aug 28, 2001 (8:16 am)
I have a 1997 Grand Caravan Sport. Occasionally, during driving the service engine soon light comes on for a few miles then goes right back out. It may not happen again for a week or two. I just had a MAP sensor, belt tensioner, and a fuel sending unit put in it. Van only has 54K on it and runs great. Anyone else out there had an problems with a periodic service engine soon light?
#778 of 4276 laws of physics
Aug 28, 2001 (12:19 pm)
I suggest you look up capillary(sp?) action in a physics text to understand how liquid can flow upward. Additionally, if the van turns on side in an accident you are at a 90 degree angle. Two ounces a minute add up pretty fast if you're injured and cannot free yourself or others in the vehicle.
Aug 28, 2001 (4:08 pm)
You must have flunked Physics, look up capillary in the dictionary. Can you explain what happened to the 2000 Honda Odyssey shown in copartfinder.com?
#781 of 4276 Odyssey owners love to troll and trash DC by carleton1
Aug 28, 2001 (5:32 pm)
Ya got to do what you got to do.
Carleton1 says: door armrests, Triple Zone Temperature Control, Trip Computer
Door armrests-- I'm so sick of hearing about those stupid arm rests. If that's all it's got going for it than buy it. As far as they go I drove a 01 and at 6'3" and the back tilted as I like it all they are goof for is to look at, since I sit back to far to do any good. Triple Zone, Odyssey has dual zone, our Caddy STS had temp control for both front passengers and we kept it on the same temp. Advertising gimmick. Trip computer, what a joke, I have never seen one that tells accurately what's going on. Now to me a trip computer tells me where to turn, how far to my destination, directions, where to cash my check, get gas, eat, hospitals in case I'm in an accident with a DC van and it catches on fire and a host of other important things. Now thats a real trip computer.