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Chrysler Town and Country, Van
#957 of 2160 jshelmer
Jan 03, 2002 (2:22 pm)
Regarding your feelings towards the Odyssey and the "magic seat", I totally agree with you. We own a 2000 Chrysler Town & Country LX with 33k miles and it has been a great vehicle. I too am sick of reviewers, especially edmunds.com, treated the "magic seat" as if it is the benchmark for what makes or breaks a minivan.
Yes, they are biased towards the Odyssey in just about any review of any minivan they post. Even the reviewers themselves own Odysseys. They also always seem to fail to mention the benefits of having a 50/50 split rear seat over a fold-away seat as you have mentioned.
Oh well, Honda still cannot match the convienence and comfort features that Chrysler offers in it's line of minivans, especially the Town & Country. In my humble opinion, of course...
#958 of 2160 Why don't reviewers notice ALL of the features?
Jan 03, 2002 (3:14 pm)
Very difficult to understand. Each minivan has distinct advantages with DC having ZERO competition in the comfort and convenience area.
Within DC, the T&C are nicer than GC. For example: Top of the line GC ES does NOT offer a power passenger seat standard on one T&C LXi and Limited. The GC eL has 4 wheel ABS with drum brakes on rear while T&C eL has 4 wheel DISC ABS.
My 99 GC SE is 2nd to the bottom of GC lineup for 1999. It has separately controlled temperature for driver and front passenger, auto-locking power door locks, heating coils at base of windshield, complete overhead console with compass/outside temp/trip computer, a built in child safety seat, padded armrests on front doors that are NOT available on my sister's 2001 Ody EX.
Although we own a Grand Caravan, we feel the T&C is the most attractive minivan. We have never taken out the rear seat to haul large items nor have we ever needed the extra space offered by the over-hyped fold-into-the floor magic seat. Our 3rd row seat is much more comfortable than the magic seat in my sister's 2001 Ody EX.
#959 of 2160 Although the GC has....
Jan 03, 2002 (5:23 pm)
Now this is just me being nit picky, but......
While the T&C LXi may have a standard power passenger seat, the T&C LXi does not even give you the option of an auto dimming interior rear view mirror or auto dimming outside driver's mirror, where the DGC ES does. The DGC ES also has auto headlights as an option.
To get those "auto" features on a T&C, you must go up to the Limited. Since Dodge doesn't have an alternative to the Limited, they tend to actually offer most of the Limited's features on an ES. And once you add in the huge ES option packages, it does come with a power passenger seat.
The only things the ES doesn't have that the Limited does is the Premium bucket seats with leather/sued combo and the Memory mirrors, driver's seat, radio presets, and pedals.
The ES, when full loaded, is priced between (about) a fully loaded LXi and a fully loaded Limited.
Having previously owned a 1996 T&C LXi, I was all set on getting another one (LXi), but realized that the LXi now was stripped of some of it's old great features, because I suppose Chrysler needed to differentiate the Limited from the LXi. So even though the LXi used to have auto dimming mirrors and memory settings, I guess Chrysler knew JUST sued seats (which I could do without) and chrome wheels weren't going to cut it when they were asking a $2000 premium over the LXi.
#960 of 2160 Re: Power passenger seat
Jan 04, 2002 (1:16 pm)
"While the T&C LXi may have a standard power passenger seat..."
Not true. My '02 T&C LXi AWD (29U) came through without a power passenger seat, despite the brochure's statement to the contrary. (My dealer still says that he is going to get the parts and put one in, on his nickel, since he assured me--similarly misled by the brochure--that this feature was present.) I have cloth upholstery. Perhaps with leather and/or heated seats...???
The other gotcha was a CD player. The standard radio (with my model) will not play CDs as delivered. Once again, the brochure is misleading, although this one, perhaps, I should have caught.
Otherwise, my opinion at 4000 miles is that the vehicle is simply wonderful.
#961 of 2160 Re: power passenger seat
Jan 04, 2002 (3:18 pm)
Yes, if you had opted for the leather, you would have a power passenger seat. Misleading indeed. I hope you get that resolved.
Jan 04, 2002 (4:01 pm)
Does anyone here install the DVD player in their vans? If so, how much did you pay and how's the quality?
#963 of 2160 Thanks dave210
Jan 04, 2002 (4:24 pm)
Your data shows I have not read the brochures as carefully as I should have.
I am disappointed that DC "watered down" the Caravan/GC SE Sport and the T&C LX and LXi in the 2001 re-design and the dropping of the Plymouth name. Most of us quite liked the Chrysler dealer being the Chrysler/Plymouth dealer.
To me it "cheapened" the Chrysler name to put it on the Voyager and Cirrus/Sebring which should have remained Plymouth and the PT Cruiser should have been a Plymouth PT Cruiser. When I was young, Chrysler was a name for an upscale, large luxury vehicle.
#964 of 2160 Incentives starting 1/9/2002
Jan 08, 2002 (8:10 am)
Does anyone know what the Chrysler incentives will be on T&C's after 1/8/2002?
Right now they have $1,500 but I was curious if it will be increased on the ninth.
#965 of 2160 One year review
Jan 09, 2002 (10:13 am)
Hi all. Havent posted for some time but I thought I would let everyone know that I will have my 2001 T&C LXi for one year this month. Have about 10,500 miles on it.
We have had no material problems with the van. One of the sliding doors would not work intermintently and the dealer did something to it that took care of it. Dealer screwed up the installation of the video monitor in the ceiling and we had to have the headliner replace as well but that was a dealer problem. But I dont consider the above a big deal. No transmission problems/noises, no roof rack problems, and no other squeeks or rattles that I hear.
My wife drives it the most running the kids to/from school and other activities but when we go on trips and I drive it is a pleasure. My only complaint is that I just cant get comfortable in the drivers seat regarding height. I want to sit lower and I cant get it any lower. I am tall so I suppose that is part of the problem. I do love the sound system and the kids love the vcr/monitor for those long trips.
Just wanted to post and indicate that I am very happy with the van and it has had no material problems. It seems that so many posts are about what is wrong with their van, so I wanted to make sure and say I am extremely happy with my van.
#966 of 2160 The only problems with DC minivans are those reported by owners of another brand
Jan 09, 2002 (3:57 pm)
DC minivans are just as reliable as any now made. If you want to read about minivan problems, go read in any brand "Problems Forum" here in the Town Hall.
Many people are envious of the nice comfort, convenience, and luxury features of DC minivans and most especially the T&C LXi and T&C Limited where no other minivan can compete. To justify having an inferior van, they troll in DC forums and post fabrications of demented souls.