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#673 of 696 New a better deal than CPO?
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 04, 2011 (1:57 pm)
Did you go looking for a used car and find that prices were so high that it made more sense to buy a new car instead? Or found that your trade-in was worth a lot more than you expected?
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#674 of 696 resale of damaged vehicles
May 15, 2011 (9:10 am)
Will a dealership put a car in the Certified Pre-Owned Program if it has a history of structural damage from a documented accident?
If they would , what is the point of the program? How worried should I be when buying through a certified program?
#675 of 696 Re: resale of damaged vehicles [flyingfranch]
May 15, 2011 (9:09 pm)
In the past I've checked out both Jaguar and BMW CPO cars. Both dealers told me that the cars have to have a clean carfax to be certified, and, that they would present me with a copy of the carfax report on any car I was interested in. I ended up buying a CPO Jag, and, as soon as I got back from my test drive, the salesman presented me with the report before we entered into negotiations. Most manufacturers list the details of their CPO program on their websites. I have seen dealers here list cars as CPO - but, they weren't true "factory -backed" CPO cars. They were simply cars that carried an aftermarket extended warranty that wasn't nearly as good as a authentic CPO vehicle. I believe this website has an overall comparison of everbody's factory CPO programs as well.
#676 of 696 Re: resale of damaged vehicles [oldbearcat]
Jun 30, 2011 (3:24 pm)
The car has to have a clean title history, Carfax accident reports are nonsense. I say that with a grain of salt, they devalue a car, but there's still lots of cars out there with previous structural damage and clean Carfax reports, meanwhile a scuffed bumper can cause a Carfax report to show an accident.
Before CarSpace went down I had pics up of a BMW burnt to a rusty shell that had a clean Carfax.....
#677 of 696 Carfax Correctness?
Jul 05, 2011 (12:29 pm)
So does anyone have a link as to just how much information Carfax is able to collect? I mean how do they get their information, and is it the same from state-to-state? Given that it seems every computer database has significant problems - take for example the recent reports that 1 in 9 $ going to unemployment shouldn't have, I don't think I have much faith in carfax. Thomas (Tom) Kernich
#678 of 696 Re: Carfax Correctness? [kernick]
Jul 05, 2011 (2:09 pm)
Carfax gets most of their information from police reports, rarely insurance claims. Also, from some body shops.
Basically they do a really good job of advertising a relatively useful product, and do a great job of insinuating that unless the dealer you're talking to uses their reports that they are less than reputable.
They make their money by charging dealers $1000s per month to sign up for unlimited reports.
As for me? I've seen way too many cars at the auction with structural damage announcements and clean carfax reports to put much faith in their service. Plus, IMO, their marketing scheme is of questionable ethics.
The one service that's a LOT more accurate in my experience is AutoCheck.
#679 of 696 " Certified Bare Bones Minimum"
Jul 19, 2012 (12:42 pm)
.....And is any one else a little sick and tired of the whole " Certified" crap? Dealerships offering that term, coupled with a newer inspection sticker slapped on, as a selling point? I've had vehicles that were supposedly certified and inspected that needed hundreds of dollars of work done by the next inspection- usually brakes and rotors, tie rods, etc. When I asked someone who worked for a dealership, he said if the brakes have on just enough tread to pass inspection, they pass it. If anything else passes, even at the bare minumum, it has technically passed inspection, and therefore, certified that it was looked at. Certified does not mean they've replaced things like timing belts, serpentine belts, water pumps, had coolant system flushes and anything else -even if they're waaayyy overdue- if they ain't broke, if they have just enough brake pad tread to last for 30 days after you've bought it- that's all they care about. Wonder why no hotshot lawyer has taken up a class action lawsuit against this practice? Always ask for a record of maintenance. If it was a trade from someone who did not keep clear records, then it should be the dealer's obligation to REPLACE maintenance items, not just deceive people into thinking the vehicle has been properly maintained. If not, be honest and sell it " AS IS".
#680 of 696 is it 2011 or 2012
Oct 03, 2012 (5:24 am)
if a car is manufactured after the month of aug is it to be sold as the following years model ie; aug 2011 sold as a 2012 model. I bought a Chevy Van that was advertised and sold as 2012 but when pink slip came in the mail it shows that its a 2011.
#681 of 696 Re: is it 2011 or 2012 [esylivin]
Oct 04, 2012 (3:49 am)
if a car is manufactured after the month of aug is it to be sold as the following years model ie; aug 2011 sold as a 2012 model.
No. The model year is what the manufacturer says it is based on some parameters. What does the Monroney sticker say - the window sticker from the vehicle?
If it's 2012, then there is an issue on the title and you need to get it fixed.
#682 of 696 Re: " Certified Bare Bones Minimum" [mary05]
Jul 02, 2013 (9:12 am)
That was an over generalization, that I have found to be not true. Each of the last 4 CPO vehicles my wife and I have bought came with detailed inspection sheets where the brakes were all individually measured and the replacement parameters were clearly specified including the the tire tread depth, etc.
I can't speak as to over due cooling flush requirements since all these were less than 2 years old (a couple were less than 1 year old, so that was was not required service. The last 3 even had new tires installed, that's always a plus with the cost of those W rated 18" 50 series tires being what they are.
But everything else was reviewed, and you can be sure I looked at them. I also looked at the engine oil, to be sure it was just changed, etc. There was a scuff on the wheel of the last one, that they polished out for me when i brought it to their attention (no painted or clear coated wheels for me, chrome or machine polished only!)
Of course these were all Cadillac CPO vehicles, and that might have had something to do with it. I've had no after sales service issues with any of them either, and the last 3 were not even bought at my local dealer. I had to hunt the cars down. I always looked there first, but i had specific requirements, that their "used car factory" couldn't produce.
I'm pretty much off new cars now with the CPO programs being what they are (at least for Cadillac).