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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [ifontaine] by lrguy44
Nov 17, 2009 (11:39 am)
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Replying to: ifontaine (Nov 17, 2009 10:42 am)

Could you have forgotten a Doc Fee?
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [lrguy44] by ifontaine
Nov 17, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Nov 17, 2009 11:39 am)

Here was the deal as agreed to:
Purchase Price: $27,800
Doc. Fee: $250
Trade: ($2,000)
Net Price: $26,050
Tax (7.00%): $1,823.50
Title Fee: $33.50
GRAND TOTAL: $27,907
Down Payment: ($11,000)
Amount Financed: $16,907
Interest Rate: 3.9%
Term 63 mos
Payment: $297.21/mo
 
But when I got to closing the payment was over $301. If it was a forgotten fee, then why would the F&I guy tear it up and print out a new one? Why wouldn't he explain where I was mistaken on my numbers?
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [ifontaine] by tidester HOST
Nov 17, 2009 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: ifontaine (Nov 17, 2009 10:42 am)

The only way it's a glitch is if someone puts the wrong number in.
 
Precisely! So the question remains: Why would you think it's anything more than a "glitch?"
 
You've never punched incorrect numbers into a calculator or computer?
 
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [tidester] by ifontaine
Nov 17, 2009 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 17, 2009 1:55 pm)

So, you're of the opinion that payment packing does not happen? And even if it does, this is not a case of payment packing?
 
Of course I've punched in wrong numbers before. But if that's the case, why not say, "Oh, I fat fingered it?" instead of blaming it on the computer? Especially when the bill of sale is correct with the above numbers? And the Interest rate and term of payments is correct?
 
How do you make that "mistake"? If the "Amount Financed" is the same on both documents at $16,907, where does the mistake happen?
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [ifontaine] by tidester HOST
Nov 17, 2009 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: ifontaine (Nov 17, 2009 2:37 pm)

So, you're of the opinion that payment packing does not happen?
 
I wasn't expressing any opinion. I simply wonder how, on the basis of a single transaction, you might infer that (a) it was actually payment packing and that (b) it is widespread. Just curious.
 
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [tidester] by ifontaine
Nov 17, 2009 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 17, 2009 4:20 pm)

My bad.....I must of been mistaken. Clearly, one incident of perceived payment packing is not an indication that it actually happened.
 
But if you recall my original post, I came here looking to see if it was a wide spread "business as normal" approach.
 
I read previous posts in this thread as well, and was hoping to get other people's accounts as to whether or not they knew if this had happened to them.
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [ifontaine] by tidester HOST
Nov 17, 2009 (9:45 pm)
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Replying to: ifontaine (Nov 17, 2009 6:53 pm)

and was hoping to get other people's accounts as to whether or not they knew if this had happened to them.
 
I'd like to know too. Perhaps others will jump in and tell us their stories. Anyone?
 
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [ifontaine] by british_rover
Nov 18, 2009 (10:50 am)
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Replying to: ifontaine (Nov 17, 2009 5:48 am)

This is one reason why I always quote payments as about 329 or 399 or 499 at least until the customer sits down to finalize the deal in F&I.
 
There is always the chance a fee or something isn't in their right and then you get the guy with the spread sheet or Financial calculator who will take you to task over $2.85 a month.
 
Here is one scenario where payments can get skewed a little and the F&I guy won't notice right off. We have a bank that we no longer use for financing but it is still in our menu as the first bank on the list. Why? Probably because it costs money to have it removed by R&R.
 
Anyway this bank always charged a bank fee of XXX dollars. When I make a deal as a finance it defaults to that bank unless I change it to a cash deal or some other bank. That fee is worked into the deal already in the back. Even if you switch to a different bank that fee gets left on their unless you delete in manually from the back screen.
 
You work your payments and I work mine they come out 3 something bucks different because we all forgot the bank fee. You can't get charged the bank fee even if no one caught it because when the office reconciles the deal they won't be able to get the numbers to zero out. Its just like if you overpay a state fee things won't zero out and the back office will send you a check for the difference.
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [british_rover] by lrguy44
Nov 18, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Nov 18, 2009 10:50 am)

Another thing that can skew a payment by a few dollars is time to first payment. The deal will differ if the computer has 30 or 45 days to first payment - could be a $10 or more difference.
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Re: F&I managers "skimming" off the top? [lrguy44] by british_rover
Nov 18, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Nov 18, 2009 11:42 am)

Oh yeah see I rarely do real F&I work so I forgot about that.
 
Most banks default to 45 days but if for some reason it was 30 days or 60 days or whatever days if they were running a promotion that would drastically change the payment.

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