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Re: For the "we poor californians get gouged" crowd [larsb] by fintail
Jan 31, 2007 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 31, 2007 7:01 am)

What makes up these "normal market conditions" and "normal market forces"? Or maybe we should all just accept cliches...
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Read on for edumcation :) :) by larsb
Jan 31, 2007 (8:58 am)
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Google this yourself folks, it's not hard to find:
 
The EIA has reported that prices are generally higher in the Western states, observing that production costs and refinery investment per barrel are higher in the West. In addition, Arizona is currently requiring two unique fuel formulations in the southern part of the state, which differ from gasoline sold in other areas. According to the American Petroleum Institute (API), the proliferation of fuel types reduces the flexibility of refiners and distributors to respond to local and regional demand, which can affect gasoline prices.
 
And more:
 
Western region gas prices always higher
 
High gasoline prices in the West sprout from an intricate web of factors that range from a lack of refineries to weather to greater demand. Toss in an occasional mechanical problem at a refinery, and it's enough to turn the market on its ear.
 
"So much of it has to do with timing," says Denton Cinquegrana, the West Coast spot markets editor for the New Jersey-based Oil Price Information Service. "The Western region really is an island unto itself with only a few refineries and not much product coming from other areas.
 
"If a problem comes up in the supply chain, everything gets thrown off. Someone might want to say it's big oil companies getting more money but it's not that simple."

 
And this:
 
Gas prices in the Western states are generally more expensive than the rest of the country because geography keeps the entire region isolated.
 
The Gulf Coast states refine almost half of the nation's gasoline. But no pipelines cross the Rocky Mountains, so most gas must be refined in the West for the Western states.

 
I would not be pushing this issue if it were not true ladies and gents. The Western region of the country is unusual in regard to the refining and fuel situation, and those forces keep prices higher for the West. It's not gouging.
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Re: Read on for edumcation :) :) [larsb] by fintail
Jan 31, 2007 (10:05 am)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 31, 2007 8:58 am)

So how is this a "normal market force" or "condition"?
 
There's never any numbers.
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Re: Read on for edumcation :) :) [fintail] by larsb
Jan 31, 2007 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 31, 2007 10:05 am)

What "numbers" are you looking for?
 
PS Phoenix lowest price is $2.13 today
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Re: Read on for edumcation :) :) [larsb] by fintail
Jan 31, 2007 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: larsb (Jan 31, 2007 10:07 am)

How these "forces" and "conditions" impact prices.
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Re: Read on for edumcation :) :) [fintail] by rorr
Jan 31, 2007 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 31, 2007 2:25 pm)

Slightly (mostly) off topic but....
 
How come Housing prices are always so high in the Seattle area? Is that due to the "market forces" and "local conditions" or are those high prices due to some kinda conspiracy as well (Big Lumber)?
 
I wonder what sort of profit margin is considered 'acceptable' for home sellers in your neck of the woods?
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I vote by fezo
Jan 31, 2007 (3:13 pm)
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for Big Lumber. They are in cahoots with OWEC. (Organization of Wood Exporting Countries). I blame the Canadians....
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Re: Read on for edumcation :) :) [rorr] by fintail
Jan 31, 2007 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: rorr (Jan 31, 2007 2:31 pm)

Hey, if you can't answer with an answer, answer with a question. Sorry, that's not how it works, not even in Tejas.
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Re: Recent travels ... [jlawrence01] by jae5
Feb 01, 2007 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: jlawrence01 (Jan 30, 2007 1:34 pm)

$1.99 in the Chicagoland area at Sam's Club.
 
Filled up this morning at the usual place, Meijers, for $1.99. The Sonic was $1.99 as well, with Speedway $2.01.
 
Other stations were running $2.10 ~ $2.25 for regular. Really wierd spread since most of the stations are near each other.
 
Gas City has E85 for $1.89, regular for $2.19, diesel $2.79
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Re: Go back and view my post number 8 to see... [rockylee] by tpe
Feb 01, 2007 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 30, 2007 4:02 am)

So if the price of crude goes down and if the oil company's want to continue to charge the capped price then so be it. I think $2.00 gas is fair to the consumer and a cap should be implemented. If supply and demand becomes a problem then the government threatens to take it over because the oil cartel is only being greedy with a necessity. You can see the record profit margins to know that.
 
How did you come up with $2/gallon being a fair price? If by some miracle the price of oil went down to $15/barrel the market price for gasoline would probably be around $1/gallon. Your comment tells me that you'd have no problem with the parties involved still selling gas for $2/gallon. Interesting. The record profits achieved last year would be obliterated by this new scheme of yours. On the other hand lets say the price of oil went up to $70/barrel. The market price for gasoline would then be $3/gallon. The oil companies, refineries and gas stations would simply shutdown rather than take this kind of loss. So now the government would step in and nationalize these industries. News flash, we import 60% of our oil. Are we going to force Canada and Mexico to sell to us at prices well below market value? The only other option is to use tax dollars to make up the difference. That can't possibly make sense unless you believe the government's tax policies should encourage fuel consumption and that the wealthy should subsidize fuel cost's for the poor. If you believe the wealthy should subsidize the poor in this regard then why stop with fuel? Why not subsidize their auto insurance, maintenance and purchase costs also?

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