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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 23, 2007 12:13 pm) |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 23, 2007 12:13 pm) Why? If I'm charging $50.00 a gallon and I'm next to a service station, with gas, at $2.50 a gallon, how much gas do you think I'll sell? I've only "gouged" when somebody buys my gas. And IF they bought my extravagently priced boutique fuel OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL at $50.00 per gallon, then it's still not "gouging", is it? Now, if all the stations in an area get together and collude to set prices, then that is against the law. But the law they've broken is a law against collusion and price fixing rather than "gouging" (btw - why is it somehow OK for the government to fix prices but it is not OK for private industry to fix prices? Just curious....) "They are the only company in this nations history that supply's a critical energy source at record prices while getting government handouts called subsidies" Then cut the subsidies. Personally, I don't think government should be mucking about with 'subsidies' for any industry (whether it's "big oil" or ethanol or farming or etc etc etc). The problem with subsidies is that then the entire inside-the-Beltway environment is a cesspool of lobbists looking for tax loopholes, subsidies, and various trade protection schemes (like tariffs). Personally, I would be perfectly fine with cutting subsidies (so long as you got rid of ALL of the other BS as well). BTW - just exactly what subsidies is "Big Oil" getting? Are they true subsidies or are we talking about tax credits? I know that a figure of $20B has been thrown around, but I'm not sure how much credence to give to the source. |
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Replying to: rorr (Jan 23, 2007 12:00 pm) "And who is 'raking in the windfall profits' when gas prices vary by over $0.40 just within your metro area?" The controlling entities of the given outlets. Are you denying windfall profits are being made? You need to learn more about my "small metro area" before you comment. Who is paying your meal ticket anyway? You seem to only comment when the amoral current regime is bashed, and when people complain about the oil industry. You're hardly a nonpartisan voice. Something's up.
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Replying to: tpe (Jan 23, 2007 11:22 am) Chavez is amusing, good for sound bites. I hope he keeps it up, and I wouldn't cry if his plan succeeds. In the long run, the American market won't be his largest concern. No changes on the gas price front here, no matter the decreases in other locales, lowering input prices, etc. |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 23, 2007 1:00 pm) Knock off all of the personal comments - feel free to exchange e-mail addresses and conspiracy theories. |
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Let's drop what is fast becoming a personal beef right now before it really gets out of hand. We can all agree that you disagree, repeated posting AT each other is accomplishing nothing, time to move on. |
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 23, 2007 1:11 pm) 
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Replying to: fintail (Jan 23, 2007 1:11 pm) Actually the top 1% hold 34% of the wealth in this country. Fairly dramatic but not nearly as compelling as your numbers. Don't ever let facts get in the way of a good story. Are they paying their fair share? Well that's hard to say. The top 1% in terms of wealth are not necessarily the top 1% wage earners but the top 1% in terms of income pay almost 37% of the taxes. http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/Courses/so11/stratification/inc- ome&wealth.htm http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/250.html Chavez is amusing, good for sound bites. I hope he keeps it up, and I wouldn't cry if his plan succeeds. In the long run, the American market won't be his largest concern. I wouldn't cry either, but I would be very surprised. Everyone else that's tried this has failed and he doesn't inspire me as the exception who can pull it off. Look at the countries he's aligned himself with. Cuba, Iran, N. Korea, and some other South American nations. Not exactly an economic juggernaut in the group. As far as not needing the American consumer, I don't accept that. He can bad mouth us all he wants but its like the drug dealer ridiculing the junkies. Where would he or his social programs be without us?
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Replying to: tpe (Jan 23, 2007 3:09 pm) The top 10% holds something like 70%. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=2050 And the bottom 40% holds .2%. What percentage of wealth is held by those income earners? That top 1% that pays 37% almost certainly has a proportional amount of the fruit. So the rich really aren't being victimized as trickle-downers might want to imagine. There are other markets for Chavez's oil than the US. Especially in the longer term when/if supply problems take place. His little plan will likely not pan out (and lord knows American lives will be risked to help bring it down), but some of his efforts are worth thinking about. He's not perfect, but neither are we. |
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