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Replying to: 210delray (Apr 08, 2006 1:58 pm) me: au contraire; I agree with most of what you say. I also have been around long enough to experience the last 30 years of gasoline supply/price fluctuations. you: The problem is in the mirror. me: Exactly. And while higher gasoline prices are a problem for those living check-to-check, because of the wealth and relatively high income of the middle and upper classes, gasoline has not really affected the people who buy new cars. A typical person buying a $20K - $30K vehicle may not care whether it costs $150/month or $200/month for gas. The difference is probably less than 1% of their household income. you: "vacuous trophy wives" who drive(?) their leather-lined cocoons for their "look at me" factor. me: pickups and SUV's became popular when the interior comfort features became equal (or near) to cars. Many people said why buy a car when I can have a truck that does more. And many people have the $ to pay for it and the gas. you: Why do we need 300 horsepower Calibers, for example (SRT4 version)? me: In that case the SRT4 will get about the same mpg as the R/T model. But your point is taken about people choosing lower mpg/high hp cars over high mpg models. I do have to disagree with your thought that we shouldn't advance speed limits as cars have increased power, handling, brakes, and safer designs. Speed limits were 15 mph at one time and roads were dirt. As we have advanced, I don't see any reason to stop. you: We were warned -- many times, but we did nothing. Now the outrage. me: I suggest instead of outrage, we improve ourselves, becoming more productive, earning more. If we increase our economic power then we will have money to purchase autos and gas. If we want to buy goods from China and such, we send money to those countries to buy autos and gas that we'd otherwise use; and secondly we take better paying jobs from here, have people in low-paying jobs, and then we have a whole bunch of people who can't afford gas (or health care). It's very simple: If you want something you better make some money, and be willing to pay more for it than the other guy.
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fintail - OK, so you're not in Canada but you fly the Canadian flag. Funny how there can't be a conspiracy to control the liberal media (I don't think there's a conspiracy it's just who they are) but the "neandercons" can be a conspiracy? And somehow the oil companies can collude to drive up prices even though they're the most watched industry in the world? 210delray - You're right on with a lot of your thoughts. Ethanol is going to be very expensive and less efficient to develop. We need to keep doing the R&D to find alternative energies but there's a long way to go. ANWR anyone?
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Today Saturday April 7th, 2006 in and around Ann Arbor Michigan I saw gasoline selling for between 2.69/2.75 per gallon for regular. Driving season will start here in about 1-2 weeks, so short term, I expect prices to continue their steady climb.
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Replying to: elgrande (Apr 08, 2006 3:42 pm) Bravo, your eyes work. You know, people sometimes travel. "but the "neandercons" can be a conspiracy" I said that? Where? Read again...the consipracy idea is a distraction the neandercons use to get the lemminglike masses under a little more control. Fear and faith. "And somehow the oil companies can collude to drive up prices even though they're the most watched industry in the world? " Well, the numbers can't really be explained. It doesn't matter if you are "watched", when you make the world go round, you can move as you please. It's like the idea held by capitalistas that a completely deregulated labor market would not result in massive downward wage pressures by modern day robber barons because such collusion is illegal. Laws are only worth so much. I think last year's little energy bill shows where things really lie... You're in Seattle I take it...prices are up 40 cents in the past 30 days. Can it really be explained in something other than a classic old 'supply and demand' cop out? I have no doubt it will spike again around September, and slowly fall. Two steps forward, one step back. Your use of "they" is telling. Lemee guess...disguruntled Rossi supporter... |
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Replying to: kernick (Apr 08, 2006 3:18 pm)
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I'm hoping gas gets up to $5 per gallon and diesel drops to $1.25 per gallon. I would like the highways to be vacated before I take off on my cross country adventure in my RV. 
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Replying to: fintail (Apr 08, 2006 4:41 pm)  Rocky |
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Compared to the other media outlets, Fox News is fair and balanced. If you think the others provide accurate, or even truthful reporting, you sir have been brainwashed!
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Replying to: bottgers (Apr 09, 2006 7:07 am)  They are about as fair and balanced as Hush, Vannity, and the Leprechaun  Rocky |
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I think they are MORE fair and balanced than the other media outlets. You make it sound as if there are more ligitmate media outlets than Fox. I'd like to hear of one because they don't exist.
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