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#735 of 1965 Acura Tl or CL
Sep 05, 2001 (2:48 pm)
For those knowledgeable about the TL and CL, I'm presently trying to decide which to buy. In New Orleans, these cars sell out quickly (1 acura dealer), and I haven't been able to test drive the CL. I like the TL (2002). I think the base, premium, is fine regarding acceleration. Is the tl base or cl base faster? Any options that the tl has that the cl doesn't have or vice versa? Is the navigation worth it? how's the bose system? What good is xenon lights? When do the models change on the tl and cl cars, respectively. I heard the cl was all-new for 2001, but the tl has been out for a few years, and acura replaces models every 5 years. Any truth to the statement? Sorry for all the questions, but I plan to buy one of them within the next week and the salesman I saw knows less about the car than I do! Thanks for any help.
Sep 05, 2001 (3:00 pm)
I have a CL base, and have test driven a TL-S. The interiors are almost identical. The dash is basically the same. The TL, of course is easier for the rear seat passengers to get in and out. There are also rear AC ducts, which is also nice for them.
The sound system in the TL has an additional sub-woofer, but doesn't sound any better, and doesn't seem to have any more bass, which is odd. The CL's actually sounds a little crisper due to tweeters in the upper door panels. But, overall, neither system sounds as good as a supposedly premium "Bose" system should in cars of this class.
The HID Xenon headlights do make a difference over standard halogens. I believe both models have the Xenons.
I used the Nav in the TL-S test drive, and plan on getting it. I like it very much, but the value of it is subjective.
Despite the increased HP of the TL-S, I did not notice any difference in acceleration. My base CL does fine in that department, as it also does in handling. The Michelins are a little noisy, but both cars are pretty quiet, especially compared to the RSX that I also test drove. That one had more road noise than I have ever experienced.
A major drawback to both models, IMO, is the absence of a fold down rear seat. The trunk is very big, but a fold down seat would increase storage capacity greatly, and is commonplace in even the cheapest cars.
#737 of 1965 fold-down rear seats
Sep 05, 2001 (4:33 pm)
Maybe the reason they don't fold down is to impart a more upscale image. Afterall, you're not supposed to use your luxury car to carry big bulky objects. The middle pass-thru takes care of recreational items such as skis. I'm just wondering if Mercedes, BMW's, etc. have fold-down rear seats?
Sep 05, 2001 (4:45 pm)
I don't think there's anything upscale about having less cargo space. Especially in a sedan.
Sep 05, 2001 (4:57 pm)
Congratulations! Glad you got your baby back and that the job appears to be top-notch! Did you ask them how soon you can use the Zaino? ))
Don't forget, we want to see some pics!!!
#740 of 1965 Help!!
Sep 05, 2001 (6:17 pm)
I need some advice. Last Wed I made a deal for a 2001 CL type S, non nav/no spoiler, with splash guards, pinstripe for 28,600. The dealer didn't have the black/parchment that I wanted but he said he could dealer trade and have one by Sept 6 at the latest. Today when I called he said he has been unable to locate one through through the dealers he normally trades with but since it has taken longer than he promised he would sell me a 2002 equiped the same for 29700 or about 1500 under MSRP (he said the 2002 went up $300 to a MSRP of 31,200) He told me that they'll sell 2002s for MSRP when they get them. The 2002 will be in on Oct 3. I guess my question is does this sound like a good deal--1500 under sticker (about 1100 over invoice or was the 2001 a better deal. In your experience are the dealers getting MSRP for 2002's? Thanks for all your help.
Sep 05, 2001 (6:25 pm)
Don't fall for it. It's the old b&s. CL's sell about 1 for each 12 TL's. They aren't going like hotcakes. Look around at other dealers yourself for the one you want. If you find one, tell them the price you were offered at the first dealer. An honest dealer, and there are some, will attempt to match it. In his defense, as a 2001, it may be difficult to find one in that color. I didn't know the 2002's were in, though.
FYI, Edmunds shows a TMV (true market value) of 28,500 for a 2001 CL-S non-Navi in my zip code, which is in Northern Cal.
#742 of 1965 garypen
Sep 05, 2001 (7:13 pm)
I checked Edmunds too before I bought. TMV is about what I "paid" if you include the splashguards and pin stripe. The problem I have with the dealer is that he waited a week to tell me something I think he could have found out in 1 day if he would have worked on it, when I told him I was ready to take my money elsewhere he had all the info in less than an hour--that was that of the 3 cars he told me were available last week when we were making the deal, one turned out to be a demo (don't want it), one had a spoiler (I don't want it) and one was sold (that one could have been mine if he would have followed up sooner). According to the acura website there are no black/parchment CL/S avail within 300 miles of St Louis. He called me this evening and said he found one but (and I'll give him credit for being honest)it's been on the dealers lot for 5 months and already was a dealer trade (my dealer would be the 3rd to have the car).--doesn't sound overly appealing to me. The acura website listed the 2002 MSRP as being only $60 over 2001 (per Edmunds pricing) I think I'll offer him 29,200 for the 2002 and if he doesn't take it I'll look for a different car.
Sep 05, 2001 (7:25 pm)
There ya go! You might even feel better that you got a 2002.
BTW, my dealer threw in the mud guards, wheel locks and logo mats for free. We didn't ask for them, and he didn't mention them. I only found out later that they were dealer options. We also got a very low no-haggle price.
It was at the end of the month, and they seemed rather anxious to sell us a car. I also bought a different car at the beginning of the month. That dealer, while nice, wasn't as willing to drop price or increase the trade-in offer.
I'll bet if you wait until the end of the month, let's say after the 29th, you'll get a better deal. Just a hunch.
#744 of 1965 New owner and new list subscriber
Sep 06, 2001 (12:02 pm)
I just picked up a 2001 CL yesterday. It was the last CL base (there were 4 Type S's)on the lot and the dealer was eager to move it. I paid exactly $500 over invoice. It also has on it the Acura accessory chrome alloy wheels, and they sold them to me for half price. The salesman said the 2002 CLs would be in at the end of September but there were few changes from the 2001s.
After just one day of driving it, I am very impressed. The handling, performance, and comfort are amazing for a car of this price range. I look forward to many years of good driving.